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Suncor Energy Inc. is a Canada-based integrated energy company. The Company's segments include Oil Sands, Exploration and Production (E&P), and Refining and Marketing. Its operations include oil sands development, production and upgrading; offshore oil production; petroleum refining in Canada and the United States; and the Company’s Petro-Canada retail and wholesale distribution networks... see more

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Suncor Energy Inc > O.T. The Lost Titanic Sub
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Post by mrbb on Jun 21, 2023 10:03pm

O.T. The Lost Titanic Sub

i am aghasted that my hunch was right, that this 5 man sub going down 2.5 miles down the ocean alone, had no electronic location transmitter device, IE a beacon. This isn't a high tech piece of equipment.  It's a requirement for all licensed air and sea vessels.  What's more surprising are:

1. An Oceangate employee with submarine pilot experience and a director of marine operation, responsible safety of crew and clients, refuse to certify the vessel safey and thereby not approving test dive.  He was immediately fired and sued by Oceangate for whistleblowing but later settled out of court.  The 'experimental' vessel was and is still not certified nor approved by any regulatory body for deep sea diving.  

2. Since it is exploring in international water, it's a loophole where by it can bypass safety law and regulation.  Crew and clients can just signed waviers of liability. 

3. The CEO had bragged about using equipment from 'off the shelves' items, like buying them from 'Camping World'.  The glaring one is using Xbox 360 controller to control the entire submersible vessel. 

4. Prior test dives didn't last an hour, had to abort mission. 

I found this quote:

So now we have something that looks startlingly like the maiden—and final—voyage of the Titanic. It too was an experimental ship that was considered a technological and engineering marvel at its time. It was one that allowed some of the world’s wealthiest and esteemed individuals to purchase a ticket and set out on a great adventure on the Atlantic Ocean. However, it also lacked basic safety tools that ultimately doomed it and 1,500 passengers to a cold, watery death.
 
It’s a grim and sobering lesson—but worth remembering: History doesn’t repeat itself—but it often rhymes.
Comment by marketsense on Jun 22, 2023 1:06am
First,  I wish to express my sadness for those on Titan.  I can't imagine what they're going through and they are in my thoughts and prayers. The whole story is disturbing.   It was not certified because it wouldn't pass.  The hull was 4'' thick carbon fibre.  Totally innovative but completely untested at those  depths. The hatch was sealed from ...more  
Comment by mrbb on Jun 22, 2023 4:56am
outside the discussion of the sub design flaw and safety issues, exploring a wreck site has its own danger as well. The sub could get tangle with titanic debris and can't wiggle out. There are so many possible scenario for tragedy. At those depth (13,132 ft), water temp. is around 0 to 3 degree C. If there is a power failure, the 5 inside could die from cold before running out of O2.  ...more  
Comment by Experienced on Jun 22, 2023 7:38am
Given all the discussion on the strength of the hull, the most likely scenario in my mind is an implosion. If that was the case then death of the 5 people on board would have been virtually instant and the wreakage would be in a "million" pieces on the bottom.
Comment by MigraineCall on Jun 22, 2023 8:19am
Yet that would not explain the tapping or banging noise heard every 30 minutes picked up by the sonar bouys dropped from the C130.  It will be found eventually, but it is a needle in a haystack. Did you see the video of the interview with the reporter that went along in a submersible to the Titanic years ago, and the current pushed them in to the propeller area, and they were jammed in ...more  
Comment by Experienced on Jun 22, 2023 8:53am
Migraine....really hard to say.  But based on the amount of oxygen supposedly remaining it is unlikely if they are still alive that they will be found left alone rescued in time. As for Microsoft - I agree as I write this post on my iMAC.  iPhones and iPads as well.  Gave up on Microsoft many years ago.
Comment by meritmat on Jun 22, 2023 9:24am
How dumb do you have to be to spend 250k to go see a sunk ship?   Play stuipid games and win stuipid prizes.  
Comment by Experienced on Jun 22, 2023 9:43am
Merimat...Virgin Galactic is charging 200K for people to go up in space for a joyride.
Comment by meritmat on Jun 22, 2023 11:01am
  yup and that's different between him and Space X that's a spare no expense operation.  Plus it's into Space. I would be game for that  Going for a dip in freezing water 3km below the surface in a sub that looks like it was bought from the used section of kijiji is suicide. How many millions is the US and Canada spending trying to recover them?   The company ...more  
Comment by ztransforms173 on Jun 22, 2023 4:17pm
- US Coast Guard believes that the DEBRIS FIELD found near the Titanic wreckage foorprint is LIKELY the REMAINS of a CATASTROPHIC IMPLOSION of the MISSING TITAN submarine - so one leads to the CONCLUSION that the TITAN did NOT resist the ENORMOUS WATER PRESSURE on it's hull SALTWATER water pressure: Hydrostatic Pressure / Pressure at Depth Formula: https://engineeringunits.com/pressure ...more  
Comment by ztransforms173 on Jun 22, 2023 4:42pm
- DEPTH of the Titanic wreckage ~ 3840 meters @ 3,840 meters: Total Pressure = 38,901,837 Newtons/meter squared Fluid Pressure: 38,800,512 Newtons/meter squared 1 Pascal = 1 Newton per meter squared Pressure at SEA LEVEL: 101,325 Pascals - so the TOTAL water pressure at the DEPTH of the Titanic is 382.9313 TIMES the atmospheric pressure at SEA LEVEL z173
Comment by ztransforms173 on Jun 22, 2023 5:11pm
https://twitter.com/i/status/1671863145005207552 https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1671863145005207552?cxt=HHwWgMDS8YSr07MuAAAA z173
Comment by mrbb on Jun 22, 2023 8:20pm
OMG, look at the size of those bolts, smaller than a wheel lug nut for a subcompact car, and spaced so far apart, just unreal. 
Comment by MigraineCall on Jun 22, 2023 4:59pm
Consider that frac pumps run around 8000 PSI in order to fracture shale rock deep in the formation. The water pressure at the depth of the Titanic was around 6000 PSI. At least it was quick.
Comment by marketsense on Jun 22, 2023 5:26pm
Exactly my sentiments.  Better than due to suffocation or freezing.  Still what a tragic way to learn that Stockton's arrogance about his superior engineering was flawed. That should have been the warning light flashing red right at the beginning.  The desire for adventure overuled doing due diiligence.  Something like the stock market lol.
Comment by Experienced on Jun 22, 2023 8:07pm
Sad to say but I suspect that the searchers are relieved to find that it imploded as opposed to finding it intact but too late to save them. Next step? The lawsuits!!
Comment by mrbb on Jun 22, 2023 8:30pm
i doubt OceanGate nor the CEO estate have enough funds worth suing. 
Comment by mrbb on Jun 22, 2023 8:31pm
plus i'm sure everyone had signed a liability waiver
Comment by Experienced on Jun 22, 2023 9:46pm
mrbb....Probably true but we don't know about how the whole thing was insured. If it was insured then that is where the action will be. As for liability waivers, they aren't worth the paper they were written on if it is determined that there was negligence by the company.
Comment by mrbb on Jun 22, 2023 8:08pm
it's an inevitable conclusion given that the vessel can't get certification for the intended depth, plus knowing that communication with the surface mothership had ended abruptly just 1 hr 45 mins into the dive.  It means the vessel imploded before reaching the titanic wreckage depth of 13132 ft, indicating how deficient the vessel structural strength was to meet the true 5900-6000 ...more  
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