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Suncor Energy Inc. is a Canada-based integrated energy company. The Company's segments include Oil Sands, Exploration and Production (E&P), and Refining and Marketing. Its operations include oil sands development, production and upgrading; offshore oil production; petroleum refining in Canada and the United States; and the Company’s Petro-Canada retail and wholesale distribution networks... see more

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Suncor Energy Inc > Early EV Adopter Era is Over
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Post by MigraineCall on Aug 10, 2023 3:54pm

Early EV Adopter Era is Over

Seems the feared EV transition is hitting a speedbump.

As I discussed before, the pendulum was pushed way way too far, and is now swinging back to oil. 

Here's this, and even coming from a Liberal leaning publication.

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/09/electric-cars-adoption-rates?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Next roadblock for electric cars: Early adopter era is over

Early adopters fueled the initial spike in electric vehicle (EV) sales, but the next wave of consumers — the more price-sensitive "early majority" — is proving to be more elusive.

  • Mainstream shoppers aren't willing to pay a huge premium over conventional gas-powered vehicles, in part because they're still apprehensive about charging an electric car and they think better EVs are coming.

Why it matters: The EV transition will likely be longer and bumpier than many experts predicted — which explains why some automakers are hedging their bets, cutting prices and recalibrating their strategies.

What's happening: No automakers are doing an about-face on electrics, but many are acknowledging that they need to be flexible as they navigate the EV transition.

Driving the news: Ford Motor CEO James Farley has been the most candid about what's happening in the market and how it will affect the company's business.

  • During the company's July 27 second quarter earnings call, Farley backed off earlier sales targets for fully electric models, and said Ford will quadruple its hybrid offerings.
  • "We have the flexibility to offer customers a choice of [internal combustion engines], hybrids and full electrics in the years to come," he said.

Ford is delaying its goal of scaling production to 600,000 EVs annually, from the end of this year to 2024, Farley said.

  • He also hedged on a previous target for producing 2 million EVs every year globally by 2026.
  • "We maintain flexibility on when we reach 2 million total EV global capacity because we are balancing growth, profitability and returns."
  • His cautious tone came even as Ford plans to triple production of its electric F-150 Lightning pickup after cutting prices by as much as $10,000.

Between the lines: Farley suggested gas vehicles will remain a source of growth for some time.

  • Demand for gasoline and hybrid vehicles will be "durable, with the window of growth" for legacy trucks and SUVs "potentially longer and richer than most expected," he said.

The intrigue: In many ways, Farley is echoing the argument Toyota has been making for years.

What they're saying: "Toyota was right," Sam Abuelsamid, principal research analyst at Guidehouse Insights, tells Axios.

 
  • "We need to have a lot more hybrids in the near term, which will have much more of an environmental impact than building so many EVs."

Yes, but: Even Toyota has waffled on electrification.

  • Its first EV, the bZ4X, was underwhelming, but Toyota says it is accelerating its EV plans, with a larger, family-friendly electric SUV coming in 2025.
  • Toyota also says it will introduce EVs with double the range of today's cars by 2026, thanks to a solid-state battery technology breakthrough.

Meanwhile, other companies are also reassessing their EV plans.

  • GM says it remains committed to a full lineup of EVs, but manufacturing issues have delayed customer deliveries. It also scrapped plans for a $39,000 base version of its upcoming Chevrolet Silverado EV pickup.
  • Mazda is dropping the slow-selling MX-30 EV from its lineup to concentrate on plug-in hybrids.
  • German automakers have made bold commitments to electrification, but both Volkswagen and Mercedes have delayed or recalibrated their plans.

The bottom line: It's still early in the game for electric vehicles, and consumers are waiting for better prices and better technology.

  • For automakers trying to read the market, that means a lot of hand-wringing.
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Comment by jx7000 on Aug 10, 2023 6:02pm
I would buy a hybrid before an all-EV vehicle but then I just fixed up my front end and tires and body (engine and tranny are working better than anything I've owned in the past, approaching--339,000 kms :-). My fuel comsumption is okay, even after the many years I've owned it (2005 Hyundai Tucson, 2.0L, auto). I consolidate my trips, drive less in general and have shaved about 40% off my ...more  
Comment by PabloLafortune on Aug 10, 2023 7:38pm
Went to a few dealerships a few days ago:  Non Tesla EV sales is a real mixed bag. Way too much $$$, risk of problems or poor resale, many compromises. 2 words: stay away. Toyota hybrids are extremely hot - 1 to infinity (RAV4 plug in) years' wait lists. Tesla's advantage is not limited to EV technology Pretty smooth operation compared to Ford for example.  Ford's hottest ...more  
Comment by meritmat on Aug 10, 2023 8:35pm
They have there place but intill I can get 1000k on a charge and they work in a Canadian winter I won't touch one.   Nothing against them I'm sure there time is comming but I'm not going to be told what to drive by any government 
Comment by mrbb on Aug 12, 2023 4:26pm
I had posted my view on EV adoption here before, stating that Tony Seba's projection of EV adoption to have similar S curve of Smartphone, internet, digital tv, is incorrect.   By 2025, he says, all new cars sold with be electric. And this won’t be driven by subsidies and other incentives, it will be a matter of simple economics, The Driven Podcast: Tony Seba on why ...more  
Comment by Experienced on Aug 13, 2023 5:07pm
Migraine....I think the Bottom Line Statement is key, especially the technology point. This is why I have posted some info on solid state electric batteries.  If Toyota meets its targets, people who have bought EVs now may find that nobody wants them because there is a much better battery technology available. In some ways, I hate to admit it, but I am relieved that my order for the IONIQ5 ...more  
Comment by mrbb on Aug 14, 2023 3:22am
LOL, i knew this would come. I didn't make a public prediction about it because i might perceived as picking on you again.  I did remember you saying that pre-order deposit was a small sum and was refundable if cancelled in time. So the barrier of entry is low, barrier to exit is low too.  I do give u credit for disclosing your decision tho.  This is why EV has low residual ...more  
Comment by Experienced on Aug 14, 2023 9:03am
Who wouda thunk....that we could actually agree on something....lol We will see how this plays out but it would appear that if the solid state batteries deliver as advertized then cars powered by liquid batteries will not have much of a resale value.  This assumption has factored into my current thinking.  In the meantime, I will leave my refundable deposit in the mix and keep my ...more  
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