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Suncor Energy Inc. is a Canada-based integrated energy company. The Company's segments include Oil Sands, Exploration and Production (E&P), and Refining and Marketing. Its operations include oil sands development, production and upgrading; offshore oil production; petroleum refining in Canada and the United States; and the Company’s Petro-Canada retail and wholesale distribution networks... see more

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Suncor Energy Inc > GM announcement today starts its death march
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Post by Obscure1 on Nov 29, 2023 12:23pm

GM announcement today starts its death march

The GM stock jumped up 9% today on the announcement to buy back shares and pump up the dividend. 

To analysts, the GM announcement says "we are going to turtle and milk our customers as hard as we can for as long as we can" . 

After the initial euphoria, I expect the street will put GM on ingore as the company marches towards extinction  

Some fund managers will participate in GM for the outsized cash flow the shares will produce.  Liquidity is really important to funds to cover day to day operations, cover their management fees, and to fund redemptions. GM will be sticking around for awhile as they will be selling ICE vehicles in the US for 5-10 more years and then have ten more years to milk customers for parts and service.  

I expect that most fund managers will ignore GM and move on to more attractive investments as part of a "total return" philosophy. Fund managers look to the future and the news for GM is going to get worse and worse as the rate of transition to EV escalates. 

Why are things going to get worse for GM? 

The message that I gof from the GM announcement is that they are going to maximize returns for as long as they can.  That is good news for the short term but will come at a huge cost in the future.  The best way to maximize returns is to slash CAPEX to the bone.  The problem with slashing CAPEX is that growth stops.  I suspect GM has seen the writing on the wall and Mary Barra is happy to milk the company for another decade at $28 million per year. 

I believe the GM announcement today says the company is giving up.  VW made the same announcement last week.  Both companie have put their investment chips into partnering with Chinese EV companies for the Chinese market.  Both companies have kissed Europe and North America goodbye.

I hope Shawn Fain enjoys his 15 minutes of fame for the union deal with the Big 3 because in a few years I expect he will be blamed for destroying the UAW.
Comment by Experienced on Nov 29, 2023 1:47pm
My initial reaction was that if I owned GM I would be selling at taking the gain and running 
Comment by jx7000 on Nov 29, 2023 3:27pm
Yes, especially with the short covering that we're seeing today. 
Comment by mrbb on Nov 29, 2023 11:56pm
why are u making fun of mary barra when she is employing investment path like you, maximizing return and ignore the underlying principal. You told us you invested into EV sector (tesla) for its upside reward/potential and is not married to the ESG and environment principals. Mary is doing something similar, she chose to maximizing her reward and not married to GM long term prosperity. You 2 have ...more  
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