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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Supremex Inc T.SXP

Alternate Symbol(s):  SUMXF

Supremex Inc. is a Canada-based company, which manufactures and markets envelopes and provides paper-based packaging solutions designed to the specifications of national and multinational corporations, direct mailers, resellers, government entities, small-medium enterprises (SMEs) and solutions providers. The Company operates in two reporting segments: the manufacturing and sale of envelopes... see more

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Supremex Inc > Box demand declining
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Post by Torontojay on May 11, 2023 11:19pm

Box demand declining

FreightWaves has written extensively in recent weeks and months about the weakness in U.S. box demand, an indication of the poor state of the goods economy as Americans are increasingly cash-strapped even amid ongoing debt forbearance. The three largest North American containerboard/box producers reported box demand declines ranging from 8%-13% in Q1, and demand has been consistently worse than they expected over the past three quarters. The third-largest producer, Packaging Corp. of America, reported a historically large 13% shipment decline in Q1, though it said on its earnings call April 25 that it had seen a “big turnaround” starting in April, with bookings in the first 13 days of the month 11% higher than those in March. Two weeks later (Tuesday), the Tri-City Herald reported that Packaging Corp. is indefinitely idling one of its seven containerboard mills (in Wallula, Washington) that produces about 1,800 tons of paper a day, a decision that will result in hundreds of layoffs.

Why would the company be indefinitely idling a sizable mill when demand is improving? The answer to that question isn’t clear to us. Based on several economic indicators that we track (of which the freight market is one), there’s no reason to expect improvement in box/goods demand anytime soon. Just Wednesday, in fact, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released April real (inflation-adjusted) earnings; real average weekly earnings have been falling for two years, a trend that continued in April. Bank lending standards are tightening and loan demand is weakening, facts made clear in the April 2023 Senior Loan Officer Opinion Survey on Bank Lending Practices that was released on Monday. And small business confidence hit a 10-year low in April, according to a report from the National Federation of Independent Business on Tuesday.

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/another-sign-of-profound-box-demand-weakness-appears

Comment by DanielDarden on May 14, 2023 10:48am
Interesting read but not sure of the relevance to SXP. Thanks for posting because you raise the constant question as to “when to buy”. Does one buy low or high??? Certainly buying when the future is rosy is much more comfortable but the asks are usually much higher causing a higher buy price. Warren Buffet has obviously done very well with buying when sellers are fearful. Recessions are usually ...more  
Comment by Torontojay on May 15, 2023 9:13pm
Hey DanielDarden, how do those rose coloured sunglasses look on you?  If there is a recession, then earnings trough after the recession. The stock market does not trough before the recession begins either. If box demand is declining, then maybe the consumer is losing strength and layoffs are just around the corner. Don't shoot the messenger. Im just reporting the facts.
Comment by HermannHaller on May 16, 2023 8:09am
I think you're probably both entitled to your opinion on the economic outlook.  In think, even with an economic slowdown, SXP should be revalued. Transcontinental, a similar company with packaging and legacy business, is trading at 5.6x EBITDA. Put SXP there and the stock is $11. And SXP is growing much faster, with a better balance sheet. At $5.64, I have the company at only 3.2x EBITDA ...more  
Comment by bucheroncapital on May 16, 2023 8:49am
Good point , personally I like SXP a lot more the TCL , lots of dead wood a at TCL and a big issue with the Publisac.  The sky is lot clearer on top of SXP , although TCL is quite cheap SXP is a steal right now.
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