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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Theratechnologies Inc T.TH

Alternate Symbol(s):  THTX

Theratechnologies Inc. is a Canada-based clinical-stage biopharmaceutical company. The Company is focused on the development and commercialization of therapies addressing unmet medical needs. It markets prescription products for people with human immunodeficiency viruses (HIV) in the United States. The Company's research pipeline focuses on specialized therapies addressing unmet medical needs... see more

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Theratechnologies Inc > Comparing Corporate Presentations
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Post by SPCEO1 on Jul 29, 2022 4:41pm

Comparing Corporate Presentations

This is the small print Forward Looking Info (FLI) from the June corporate presentation:

Certain assumptions made in preparing the FLI include, but are not limited to, the following:
•(1) Global trade and supply issues will have limited adverse effects on our activities and
business plan;
•(2) sales of EGRIFTA SV ® and Trogarzo ® will continue to grow in the United States;
•(3) the known safety and efficacy profile of EGRIFTA SV ® and Trogarzo ® will not change as a
result of their long term use;
•(4) the FDA will approve the sBLA related to the IV Push mode of administration of Trogarzo ®
•(5) the FDA will approve the F8 formulation of tesamorelin , once an sBLA has been filed;
•(6) we will succeed in developing a multi dose injection pen using the F8 formulation and
regulatory agencies will approve same;
•(7) no biosimilar version of EGRIFTA SV ® will be approved by the FDA;
•(8) we will be able to secure additional resources to initiate our Phase 3 clinical trial evaluating
tesamorelin for the treatment of NASH, including finding a partner
•(9) the totality of evidence and data resulting from the conduct of our planned Phase 2b/3
clinical trial evaluating tesamorelin for the treatment of NASH will demonstrate substantial
evidence of efficacy and will be highly persuasive to regulatory agencies in order to gain
approval;
•(10) we will obtain positive results from our Phase 1 clinical trial evaluating TH1902 for the
treatment of various cancers; and,
•(11) we will meet all of the timelines set forth in this presentation.


And this is the same thing from the July presentation:

Certain assumptions made in preparing the FLI include, but are not limited to, the following:
•(1) sales of EGRIFTA SV ® and Trogarzo ® will continue to grow;
•(2) the known safety and efficacy profile of EGRIFTA SV ® and Trogarzo ® will not change as a
result of their long term use;
•(3) we will meet all of the timelines set forth in this presentation and related thereto;
•(4) we will meet all of the terms and conditions of the credit facility agreement to be able to
draw down on each loan facility tranche available thereunder;
•(5) no biosimilar versions of EGRIFTA SV ® will be approved by the FDA;
•(6) we will be able to continue the recruitment of patients to conduct the Phase 1 clinical trial in
oncology;
•(7) we will obtain positive results from our Phase 1 clinical trial evaluating TH1902 for the
treatment of various cancers;
•(8) we will be able to s ecure additional resources to initiate our Phase 3 clinical trial evaluating
tesamorelin for the treatment of NASH, including finding a partner with resources and
capabilities;
•(9) the IV push mode of administration for Trogarzo ® will be approved by the FDA;
•(10) our 2022 business strategies will not change.

 
So, any reference to the F8 was dropped. Global trade and supply issues was dropped too. New loan info was added as was the risk of not being able to recruit patients for the phase 1b. Point 9 in the June presentation regarding NASH was also dropped which indicated they thought the evidence for NASH would be highly persusive to the FDA. 

Also, the last point on the fourth and final slide in the NASH section was changed - the interest in non-dilutuve financing was removed. So, TH is no longer looking to finance NASH via any kind of financing other than from a partner. Since I really do not think this is going to happen due to patent concerns (I suspect they are not strong enough and not long enough to suit most potential partners), NASH is a real long shot at this point. If TH sees good cancer data in phase 1a and moves into phase 2, I suspect they will drop any mention of NASH at that time as it really seems less realistic as each day passes and these changes in the presentation highlight that.

Iam a little concerned about the references to the F8 formulation being dropped as we would all like to see that developed and used for lipodystrophy but perhaps it does not make economic sense if it is not going to be used for NASH too?
Comment by Wino115 on Jul 29, 2022 5:17pm
Do you suppose that the uncertainty around the specialized water is too unknowable by them so they are eliminating F8 as an assumption for planning until they are certain it is manufactured and that they can get it. I would gather there are plenty of other water buyers higher up on the list.  
Comment by SPCEO1 on Jul 30, 2022 12:31am
That seems like a reasonable take. But it is still not what we want to see.
Comment by CreatingApe on Jul 30, 2022 8:16am
Mr. spceo. I am a little baffled and frustrated by all this talk of patent issues with Egrifta as of late. I remember clearly many months ago you stating that they had a secured the patent for Egrifta for Nash out to 2044 or something. and that was one more worry we could take off the table. Which I took to heart. Can you explain to me where all these recent patent worries are coming from?? I ...more  
Comment by canadapiet on Jul 30, 2022 9:20am
Indeed!! And what about all the talking with potential partners from their strong position??????!!! Lies............... Nobody for now sees value in TH, not even managemnet itself at such ridiculous low shareprice!!!  Shameful/Disgusting!!! CreatingApe - (7/30/2022 8:16:55 AM) RE:RE:RE:Comparing Corporate Presentations Mr. spceo. I am a little baffled and ...more  
Comment by Trogarzon on Jul 30, 2022 9:46am
The main reason th gives me to own the stock atm is the fact that I can't sell my block of shares thanks to the price and liquidity they provide us with.  Also the possible takeover dream or th1902 long shot.  What else is there to say.
Comment by PWIB123 on Jul 30, 2022 9:55am
I've had no problem buying at limit or market prices below the ask, and when I sold last year for tax losses at a higher price point, I had no problem liquidating over 20,000 shares at the bid price over just a couple days.  I've bought all of those shares back this year and am holding.  If you're saying you can't sell without taking a loss and you just don't like the ...more  
Comment by Trogarzon on Jul 30, 2022 10:04am
Ok try over 1m share.. you want to th @ 1.50$ next week.
Comment by Lee430 on Jul 30, 2022 10:18am
Gates stepping up Alzheimers funding, maybe he would be interestd in helping us out with Egrita's potential for that indiation? https://www.forbes.com/sites/kerryadolan/2022/07/30/bill-gates-is-reupping-his-commitment-to-alzheimers-research-and-detection/?sh=33cd73586a83
Comment by Lee430 on Jul 30, 2022 12:17pm
For those new here that are not aware of the ongoing study for Engrita use in Alzheimer patients. https://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20120806/drug-may-slow-memory-loss-early-alzheimers
Comment by SPCEO1 on Jul 30, 2022 12:18pm
Patent issues are very complicated and I am no expert. But her is my best shot at it. Others may be able to add a lot more value on this issue of patents. There are three main type of drug patents. The most impoprtant one is commonly referred to as the Composition of Matter patent. This one offers the strongest patent protection of all the patents and it covers every use of the drug as I ...more  
Comment by jfm1330 on Jul 30, 2022 4:13pm
I pointed out many years ago that the patent situation was a weak spot in the overall NASH dossier. Who would want to invest tons of money to do a phase III without the certainty that a generic company cannot bring them to court and win? I am not a patent either, but I always heard that the patent on the molecule was strongest one. That being said, Thera seemed to think that their application and ...more  
Comment by Bucknelly21 on Jul 30, 2022 4:45pm
Starting to feel like thrse conversations are pointless, all the investment and scientific minds have gotten almost everything right in their analysis and not one dime of value has been created for shareholders...isnt that the point of all of this? These conversations/debates are repetitive and becoming pointless at this point imo 
Comment by CreatingApe on Jul 31, 2022 11:09am
Not nearly as pointless as your constant complaining and negativity with no constructive contribution... Imo
Comment by SPCEO1 on Jul 31, 2022 12:02pm
I have spoken with Bucknelly on the phone on a number of occasions and he is much more balanced than he appears online. Not sure why that is but he appears to to like having a negative online personna. Hopefully, he will up his online game to bring the full arsenal of his thinking, both positive and negative.
Comment by Bucknelly21 on Jul 31, 2022 4:26pm
Bith seem to produce the same results...imo   
Comment by Bucknelly21 on Jul 31, 2022 4:37pm
To be fair i will say i think that the most impressive person by far is christian, he is why im hanging in there, he is really the onky person i have 100% faith in at thera. I think paul is either dishonest or he just gets ahead of himself. Phillipe thinks everyone but himself is wrong about the capital markets. I was a huge fan of what this company was doing 5 years ago when i   First ...more  
Comment by Bucknelly21 on Jul 31, 2022 4:42pm
Spartrap on stocktwits who was a very well spoken poster believed too... after watching the company make mistake after mistake he decided it wasnt worth it. Disappointing to see that but that is exactly my issue. Rather than building a solid following the company's actions actually turn people off completely. The science is what it is at this point and ill hang in there but do you really want ...more  
Comment by PWIB123 on Jul 31, 2022 5:59pm
I remember reading Spartrap's last post.  I'm sure he lost faith in the C-Suite too, but if I recall correctly, he specifically decided he didn't believe the science would prove the thesis.  One thing I will say about him, his decision was final and he never posted again after selling all his shares.  I wonder what he would think about the science today, and if he'll ...more  
Comment by Wino115 on Jul 31, 2022 9:29pm
My recollection on Spartrap was he equated the neuropathy at the 420mg level to potential safety issues and potential for higher off-target accumulations of toxins.  Since then, they moved it down, the RP2D had no FDA-reportable SAEs that were significant (other than the normal oncology ones of nausea, ocular, fatigue, etc..) and we now know one patient took it for 33 weeks and didn't ...more  
Comment by realitycheck4u on Jul 31, 2022 8:51pm
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Comment by LouisW on Jul 31, 2022 9:25pm
To me, the 10%, annual rate of interest is super high to me, that may also serverely jeopardize the profit as well. Hopes the deal with China company brings us a bunch of cash. FYI, when Immunomedics and Everest Medicines Announce Exclusive License Agreement for Sacituzumab Govitecan, Immunomedics receive up-front payment of $65 million and an additional $60 million based on U.S. FDA approval of ...more  
Comment by Wino115 on Jul 31, 2022 9:34pm
and that was just for the one FDA filed indication of breast cancer.  They would have to pay more for endometrial and whatever else Gilead gets approved.  Gilead may or may not be bound to a "first-right"  to Everest for new indications.    
Comment by Bucknelly21 on Jul 31, 2022 10:37pm
i agree wino, i know i come across very negative most times, it comes from me comparing to even other small cap bio's and there approach to gaining traction with the investment community outside of institutions. I would be the first to admit that, however i have not always felt this way as it is a direct result of the company's unwillingness to change their approach. I have have multiple ...more  
Comment by Biobob on Aug 01, 2022 9:21am
Another week of nothing coming up again... maybe some option action from our big beleivers overthere... Cytodyn doubled in past month.. Bellus is worth 5 times more... nothing very exciting with those... Cytodyn has like 20 lwasuits... Bellus has been able to raise cash for their cought drug... yep cough... that's a killer... cough... lol
Comment by SPCEO1 on Aug 01, 2022 10:23am
You may have noticed the week has just begun - maybe your assessment for the whole week is a bit premature???  That being said, those 230,000 $0.38 options that are expiring on12/20/22 for Lafond and Marsolais are going to be exercised at some point between now and then, or perhaps at many points. While it was discouraging to see Lafond sell his, I am most interested in seeing how Marsolais ...more  
Comment by Biobob on Aug 01, 2022 10:41am
The first thing that comes to mind for me when I think of Tehra is ... Betamax.... yep it was the best format and yet where is Betamax today...the best untold story in the history of Biotech... Lets say they are holding on to a wonder drug... Paul knows it, Christian knows it.. Soleus knows it... Rottenberg knows it.. the analyst like Cramer on CNBC would say... THEY KNOW NOTHING... how come ...more  
Comment by SPCEO1 on Aug 01, 2022 11:01am
I am sure glad you are not running the company! If they have something in cancer and already know it, which seems premature to conclude, the best decision is to develop it as far as they can without spending a boatload of money, prove out one cancer type and get it approved all the while doing extensive pre-clinical work on other applications of the Sort1+ technology so a potential buyer a couple ...more  
Comment by Bucknelly21 on Aug 01, 2022 11:03am
;)
Comment by Biobob on Aug 01, 2022 11:13am
Staying posted.. they acheived the following for me.. my expexctations are down to almost zero now... I have no timeframe for milestones... so they managed my expectations to zero.. they did that for me.  So now I can<t sell and  the onle reason I don<t sell is because I have no clue what<S coming tomorrow.
Comment by jfm1330 on Aug 01, 2022 12:36pm
I disagree a bit on that. Sure they should pursue a phase II as soon as they have solid results in a given cancer type, but if they have similar solid results in several cancer types, the SP will rise and they should pursue multiple phase II trials at the same time. The cost of a phase II in cancer with 100-120 patients is not prohibitive. Again, all that with the idea that phase Ib results would ...more  
Comment by jfm1330 on Aug 01, 2022 12:58pm
I am doing a lot of research on the net lately about what is in the pipeline to treat the type of cancer I am suffering from, neuroendocrine cancer. I found that an alternative to Ga68-Dotatate has been approved in the US for imagining somatostatin positive neuroendocrine tumors. The new imaging agent is very similar, it is Cu64-Dotatate.The interesting part related to Thera is that they were ...more  
Comment by jeffm34 on Aug 01, 2022 4:02pm
They should have started long ago. Have they ever said why they haven't?   
Comment by Bucknelly21 on Jul 31, 2022 9:55pm
totally agree that was a job well done 
Comment by CreatingApe on Jul 31, 2022 9:42am
Thank you for the detailed response. It is much appreciated. Have a relaxing Sunday.
Comment by qwerty22 on Jul 29, 2022 5:22pm
Tranche 3 of the loan is dependant on F8 approval. So if you think F8 is a no go then the final loans are off the table too.
Comment by SPCEO1 on Jul 30, 2022 12:28am
I am already on record as saying that I don't think the final two tranches will be drawn because the conditions most likely will not be met. Also, if cancer works, the stock price will be higher and TH would likely opt for equity financing. If cancer doesn't work, they likely will not be looking to add to their debt. I also struggle to see how F8 gets approved by the end of 2023, so ...more  
Comment by qwerty22 on Jul 29, 2022 5:28pm
Another way to look at this is they have dropped all references to their ability to persuade the FDA to do anything. Maybe they don't think it's necessary to mention this in this setting. Maybe because these aren't actual ongoing processes they aren't deemed necessary to mention. Could just be a technical thing rather than a signal of their changed plans.
Comment by SPCEO1 on Jul 30, 2022 12:22am
You could well be right but it seems to me there may be more to point #9 being removed. Does TH really believe point #9 in the June presentation any longer?
Comment by qwerty22 on Jul 30, 2022 2:57am
(9) is always going to be true whether they highlight it or not. All they are really saying there is the outcome of the trial and subsequent approval process are uncertain. I'd say it doesn't matter if they believe it that's just a fact.  You could argue that fda approval is potentially an unnecessary step for THTX under certain circumstances. They could partner up, do the trial ...more  
Comment by PWIB123 on Jul 30, 2022 10:02am
I think I've convinced myself they simply consolidated the F8 reference into item 4 of the updated presentation.
Comment by SPCEO1 on Jul 30, 2022 12:21pm
Good point on the F8. It would be covered in point 4 since it is required as part of tranche 3. It is a much more clever way to cover off any risk with F8 without explicitly stating it.
Comment by scarlet1967 on Jul 29, 2022 6:07pm
“Andre Uddin Okay. That's great. And just -- and also just looking at the F8 formulation and the sterile water situation, once you do get consistent supply, what human study do you actually need to do? And about how long do you think that would take before you can then file an sBLA from when you start the study? Thank you. Paul Levesque Yes. Thank you. The human factor study that we have ...more  
Comment by scarlet1967 on Jul 29, 2022 7:00pm
“The patient being able to successfully self-administer a drug at the prescribed dose identified in the labeling. Failure to successfully perform this task could harm the patient due to mis-dosing, under-dosing, overdosing, or inability to deliver a dose. The user being able to safely dispose of a used syringe. Failure to successfully perform this task could result in needle sticks. The ...more  
Comment by palinc2000 on Jul 29, 2022 7:22pm
You dont seem to be able to take anytging the company says at face value and yet you are predicting success of Th 1902 way way beyond what the company says ....
Comment by PWIB123 on Jul 29, 2022 9:29pm
Somebody has to point out the fact that for the first time since I've been reading this board, the scientist are more optimistic than the investment people.  What is happening here?  Lol!
Comment by SPCEO1 on Jul 30, 2022 12:17am
I seem to have struck an unexpected nerve in you with what I pointed out below which I hardly view as controversial. Didn't mean to do that and am not sure how I did that. Regarding your comment that I am not able to take anything the company says at face value, since I was quoting from TH's own presentation, I think it is straightforward that I was taking what they said at face value ...more  
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