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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Theratechnologies Inc T.TH

Alternate Symbol(s):  THTX

Theratechnologies Inc. is a Canada-based clinical-stage biopharmaceutical company. The Company is focused on the development and commercialization of therapies addressing unmet medical needs. It markets prescription products for people with human immunodeficiency viruses (HIV) in the United States. The Company's research pipeline focuses on specialized therapies addressing unmet medical needs... see more

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Theratechnologies Inc > The real quick story of Thera
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Post by jfm1330 on Aug 04, 2022 5:17pm

The real quick story of Thera

Theratechnologies, founded in 1993.

For many years they had no labs, they were buying patents from academic inventions, the patent to N-Hexenoyl; GRF (1-44), later called tesamorelin, and commercial name Egrifta was one of those patents. In the begining they were all over the place, they worked on a cancer treatment against leukemia that ended up in nothing, they started a medical device division, I remember they had an electronic stethoscope and other stuff. In the biotech boom in the 80s they were able to raise money. They started pushing tesamorelin as their lead drug, they also worked on a GLP-1 analog but were late in the game behind big competition so they dropped it after phase I. They bought a peptide desing company called Pharma-G, and hired the founder of this company as CSO. Nothing never came out of that acquisition.

Then, around 2010 they got tesamorelin approved by the FDA for a small indication, HIV lipodystrophy, and the company was forced into a partnership with EMD Serono over a patent that Serono had. So instead of a legal fight over that Serono patent, they concluded a partnership. Sales of Egrifta by EMD Serono were small, Thera was losing money in that bad deal because they still had to pay to run phase IV post-approval clinical trials and manufacturing. They also had manufacturing problems around 2012. They hired a new CEO, John Huss, a former big pharma executive. A financing in the US failed at that time when the company was on NASDAQ. It was the last window for the company to get a good amount of money without too much dilution. After that everything went south. They were low on money because of the failed financing, so they had to lay off about 80% of their employees. Went close to bankruptcy. Were savec by some tax credits reimbusment for the governments. The new CEO, long time CFO, Luc Tanguay managed to save the company in a deal to buy back from Serono the full rights to Egrifta. Then he managed to get the right to Taimed's Ibalizumab (Trogarzo) which, at the time, was about to enter phase III trial.

Trogarzo was finally approved by FDA in March 2018. The stock price went to 14$ (CAN) in May and June on high volume. Then it started to go down, and down, and down, and the sales of Trogarzo were minimal in the US. In other words a commercial failure. Thera also bought the rights for Europe, another failure. During all that time they managed to have Egrifta minimally profitable, and in Ferbruary 2019, Thera bought Katana Bioscience, a university startup with an oncology platform based on the peptide-drug conjugate aiming at a receptor called sortilin. The technology was still at the preclinical stage. Thera bought it for a few million dollars with the intent of investing in its clinical development.

Now we are in August 2022, Trogarzo is still a commercial failure, Egrifta is marginally profitable, the first PDC out of the SORT1 platform is in phase Ib with some efficacy signs out of a very long phase Ia. The phase Ib for this targeted therapy is done right now without screening patients for target receptor overexpression, which is the basic concept of the whole thing. So they run their trial based on probability of receptor overexpression. Not great.

So. If you are an investor new to Thera, and you do your due diligence on the history of this company, with what is publicly known right now, would want to buy the stock? At this time, with the long history of of failures and underachievments of this company, and what is publicly known at this time, do you think there is a reasonable way to honestly present things to make an appealing investment opportunity? Turn it the way you want, all lies on convincing oncology results, and at this point, there is so much noise in the phase Ia results, and there will be so much noise in the phase Ib results, that you really need to have a scientific background to understand what is known of the situation, and on top of that, you need faith. You need to believe that the little efficacy signal in all the noise is a real signal. You need to believe that they have something, and that once they will be able to reduce the noise significantly, the efficacy signal will be clear as day, and that it will be clear to everybody that they have a future FDA approved drug in their hands and maybe more than one drug because of the platform. But at this point, this positive scenario is not obvious at all. 

So that's Thera yesterday and today. Sorry, but they need a dramaticly positive news in oncology to change the story and make it attractive.
Comment by Biobob on Aug 04, 2022 5:26pm
Wow... that was good... I lived trought it all.. many faithfulls died since then... surviving...
Comment by realitycheck4u on Aug 04, 2022 6:16pm
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Comment by palinc2000 on Aug 04, 2022 8:02pm
I think this is far from the real story therefore not a true story Factual errors 1- when Thtx bought back the rights from Seron Egrifta sales dropped almost 50 % in the months following  2- The poster also omits that the former Ceo decided to prepay the balance due to Serono using about 50% of the funds ftom the Convert and overpaid by millions of Dollrs because he prepaid the amount ...more  
Comment by canadapiet on Aug 05, 2022 3:39am
Not bad at all!  But even with that traject, it was possible to gain some money as an investor! My last buy at 2,65 will be sold whenever they get in the 3's again (=10%). Am really curious what other investments people have here. With such knowledgeable people here, there must be some winners too i should think.....!!! As you all know, i still have GLPG (4,4B cash) among others.  ...more  
Comment by PWIB123 on Aug 05, 2022 10:04am
Canadapiet - My average basis on the bulk of my shares is $2.99 US, but that doesn't include the $28K tax loss I took last year or the shares in my IRA's.  The shares in my IRA's have a much higher basis, but I own fewer of them there.  Altogether, I'm losing around $125K, so I need the stock to come up to $3.58 to break even.  I have zero interest in selling at that ...more  
Comment by Kd5513 on Aug 05, 2022 10:38am
well said. If its moves to $3+ in next few months its not going to stop for a little bit potentially a lot of bit :) Holding for 5+ years and taking some gains and losses along the way, increasing position by 30K shares in the last two; I'm not looking for this to be a 10% win. This is lottery or sadly if cancer doesn't materialize its a loser and I chalk it up to a loss. Thus the game ...more  
Comment by canadapiet on Aug 05, 2022 11:10am
Fair enough, each their own investing"methods" :-) I agree that when they go to let's say 3,60 the possibility of higher prices will be great. But i don't wait for that with my "trading" shares. I never thought i would trade TH that much, i am normally a long time trader. I am here since 2005........So time goes fast, enjoy all the moments you can!!! The problem for ...more  
Comment by qwerty22 on Aug 05, 2022 6:18am
A 25year old co with a checkered past just sold to Amgen for $4 bil. But they got a drug over the line. There's hope for some oldies!
Comment by Wino115 on Aug 05, 2022 9:27am
Helpful historical summary. As an old inv industry vet, I would say my experience is that most analysts probably won't go back much further than 5 or so years to get an idea of corporate history and strategy.  They would just look at what the current management's background and track record shows, what the commercial aspects of the 2 commercial drugs are now (the fact they own one 100 ...more  
Comment by SPCEO1 on Aug 05, 2022 9:58am
As another old investment industry guy, I would add that Wino's addendum is focused appropriately on the future, not the past. The past has been wonderful at times too (1,000% runs higher in the stock price on hopes for both Egrifta and Trogarzo which were sadly later dashed against the rocks of reality). TH gave us two chances to be heroes and congrats to those who took at least one of them ...more  
Comment by SPCEO1 on Aug 05, 2022 10:35am
I should have also added that if TH-1902 works, I would be quick to change the name of the company to Sortilin Therapeutics as that may help rebrand TH and put its past behind it more permanently. Plus, it just makes sense for the name of the company to better reflect what it is known for. But first TH-1902 needs to work. 
Comment by Lee430 on Aug 05, 2022 12:12pm
Could they spin the Sortilin+ platform off into a wholly owend subsidiary with its own NAZ listing & would that help with partnering or maybe even selling a large or even controlling stake to say Pfizer? 
Comment by SPCEO1 on Aug 05, 2022 1:09pm
It is too early for that right now but yes, that might prove to be a good idea if the stock remains weighted down by the fact that Egrifta and Trogarzo are still growing slowly. But my sense is that if cancer works, investors will be more than happy to value TH based on cancer and that Egrifta and Trogarzo will not prove to be a ball and chain to the stock's valuation.
Comment by palinc2000 on Aug 05, 2022 5:35pm
I guess you know how to eat an elephant or maybe you dont? The only way is one bite at the time but you are already looking at the desert menu!!Maybe you should start by capturing the elephant first!! Paul and Christian must be laughing their head off This is hilarious .... 
Comment by Bucknelly21 on Aug 05, 2022 6:24pm
palinc i will say i value your posts very much, on the other hand all was your savior and supposed write face for the company he hasn't created 1 ounce of value for shareholders since taking over for Luk, do you fell the same way?
Comment by Bucknelly21 on Aug 05, 2022 6:38pm
Sorry for the errors palinc i will say i value your posts very much, on the other hand paul was your savior and supposed be the right face for the company. he hasn't created 1 ounce of value for shareholders since taking over for luc, do you fell the same way?
Comment by palinc2000 on Aug 05, 2022 8:49pm
My background is in the business world,In my mind Paul 's experience , methodology , vision and brain trust is exactly what the company needed Sorry that you can'y see how transformative THTx has been since zPaul joined....The whole Country shut down completely s few days after he joined .... and prevented  Paul ftom speeding up the recovery and the rebranding...You and others will ...more  
Comment by realitycheck4u on Aug 05, 2022 9:17pm
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Comment by Momo25 on Aug 06, 2022 12:50am
Months ago, SPECEO told us to ignore the legacy drugs because the future is in NASH and oncology programs, now  Palinc is trying  to sell the  other story side with the idea of  Paul being a business man. He is rebranding the company, focusing more on legacy drugs, which makes the oncology less important. Palinc and Speceo, what a dream Team!
Comment by Bucknelly21 on Aug 06, 2022 7:16am
I see your point, my response would be he can do all the re-branding of the legacy drugs he wants but in the end egrifta and especially trogarzo just are a real necessity in the market. There are others options that are easier to take and far cheaper which is some of the reason why there has been little to know adoption of trogarzo. And once again the new formulation and pen injection method which ...more  
Comment by palinc2000 on Aug 06, 2022 7:57am
I should also add that Paul joined a cash  strapped company 2 yrs ago and this is still the case. Most of The 40 million $ drawn on the first tranche of the new Financing Agreement was used to reduce the amount due on the damn Convert ...instead of being used in the development of the company. Cash is king !cash is like the  blood in our veins! So Paul has to navigate the delicate ...more  
Comment by Bucknelly21 on Aug 06, 2022 8:03am
One also could argue if he didnt do such a poor offering previously they wouldn't be so cash strapped 
Comment by palinc2000 on Aug 06, 2022 8:24am
What would you have liked to see ! What amount and what terms ?   
Comment by Bucknelly21 on Aug 06, 2022 9:14am
I would have liked them to not burn bridges and get stuck with only Canadian analysts who seem to not care to much other than getting a deal for one. Usually you get some decent coverage when you are willing to give such a deal. And if the sales and paul are the real deal he should have been able to swing a much better offering 
Comment by scarlet1967 on Aug 06, 2022 8:47am
Below would be good example regarding the "earlier lines". In historic FDA nod, AstraZeneca, Daiichi’s Enhertu snags ultrafast approval in broad HER2-low breast cancer use In historic FDA nod, AstraZeneca, Daiichi’s Enhertu snags ultrafast approval in broad HER2-low breast cancer use   “The HER2-low setting marks a large category. According to data from the National Cancer ...more  
Comment by scarlet1967 on Aug 06, 2022 9:02am
The Rise, Fall and Subsequent Triumph of Thalidomide: Lessons Learned in Drug Development The Rise, Fall and Subsequent Triumph of Thalidomide: Lessons Learned in Drug Development   Phase II Trial of Tesamorelin for Cognition in Aging HIV-Infected Persons - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov   Tesamorelin to Improve Functional Outcomes After Peripheral Nerve Injury - Full Text ...more  
Comment by LouisW on Aug 08, 2022 1:19am
In addition to TH1902, the potential of tesamorelin was also the reason for me to invest THTX.  Below is the latest finding of GHRH which indicate a role for GHRH in preventing neuronal loss and promoting neurogenesis, suggesting therapeutic potential for its agonistic analogs in neurodegenerative diseases, such as AD and HD. https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0081/ea0081p436
Comment by Bucknelly21 on Aug 08, 2022 10:12am
25 shares an hour in lol 
Comment by Trogarzon on Aug 08, 2022 10:15am
Another great start to the week.. everything is up except this POS... wake the f.. k up over there.
Comment by JohnBelg on Aug 05, 2022 10:08am
Nice recap!
Comment by jfm1330 on Aug 05, 2022 12:45pm
Rereading myself, I was obviously talking about the biotech boom of the 2000 decade. But this mistake shows how old Thera is, and how old I am... Another thing I can say, is that Thera made three big mistakes with tesamorelin. First they did not get the patent protection right, that was a huge mistake, and you needed to read the annual information form to learn about it after the facts. The ...more  
Comment by qwerty22 on Aug 06, 2022 2:48am
"So looking back at these past mistakes, you will better understand why I insist so much on confirming sortilin overexpression as soon as possible." So now Sortilin expression data because the management team might be a bit rubbish, can't be trusted? At some point you have to stop being pushed around by every little thought that pops into your head and accept the program will run ...more  
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