Comment by
JCSunsfan on May 07, 2021 11:49pm
"At current copper prices, we're forecasting over $200 million of operating margin over the next 9 months. And if copper prices go higher, then so, too, will our margins." wow.
Comment by
JCSunsfan on May 08, 2021 12:33am
In response to Fish's "where did the cash go?" Posts. cash at the beginning of th me quarte (pro forma). $250 million. cash at the end. $197 million. where it went. $27 million in receivables due to late payments. Payment has now been made. $11 million on puts. $10 million on Florence capex. $10 million debt payment. undisclosed amount of capex on Gibraltar.
Comment by
JCSunsfan on May 08, 2021 12:36am
Also from this report. They are still listening to Florence JV offers but now say they probably prefer to pay for and own it 100%. They just do not need a JV partner and are only interested if it is "accretive."
Comment by
RobertC40 on May 08, 2021 12:40am
why do you guys keep saying they spent $11 million on puts!! crazy
Comment by
BlueBee on May 08, 2021 11:12am
No mention of the $15M Frasier River water treatment plant in the transcript.....part of the increased CapEx at Gibralter?
Comment by
nofluff on May 08, 2021 11:34am
Yup! I am not a big fan of insurance. But sometimes the cost of doing business. It actually is 15 cents per pound cost. So that locked in 4.50 csd copper. If it got us the flor capital and saved us a cheap jv, then it was straight out good business. My guess is that we crack 3.00 cad on monday. nf
Comment by
JCSunsfan on May 08, 2021 12:54pm
Yes. I am not really speculating on the Florence connection because the cc specifically said the puts were directly related to the Florence investment. The bank accounts should climb over the next quarter and the draw down as Florence is built.
Comment by
KentWilkens on May 08, 2021 9:40am
Did they ever read up to what they paid for the puts, anywhere? I missed it, say someone on this board say it without reference, now you state as fact, but where does that info come from? KW
Comment by
JCSunsfan on May 08, 2021 10:48am
See my previous post. I quoted directly from the transcript. They paid $11 million.
Comment by
RobertC40 on May 08, 2021 3:57pm
geez there has to be an explanation you don't pay $11 million for put options....wrong wrong wrong.!!! Basically they paid $20,500 for 1640 put options with a 3.75 Strike. "If I look at it correctly it cost the company about 800K CAD, meaning about 50% of the quarterly copper sales/output is coverered by the put options at a strike price of 3.75
Comment by
JCSunsfan on May 08, 2021 4:29pm
Again. They said it had to do with Florence. They just cannot risk the copper market reversing--as unlikely as that is--and then not having the cash to build Florence. This guarantees they will have the cash to build. I think it was probably a condition of the bonds but that is just my speculation. I can see it in a special situation but not as a habit.
Comment by
nofluff on May 08, 2021 4:41pm
I think u nailed it jc. Now we only get 4.60 a pound for 2nd half instead of 4.75. unless copper is at 6.00. Then we only get 5.75. Would have been better to sell 50% of flor for 200 mill right?? nf
Comment by
firecracker74 on May 08, 2021 4:55pm
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Comment by
JCSunsfan on May 08, 2021 5:08pm
we better hope they expire worthless.
Comment by
JCSunsfan on May 08, 2021 5:07pm
The puts are definitely a much better choice.