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Ursa Major Minerals Incorporated > A few things to bear in mind.
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Post by KerBer on Oct 19, 2008 11:46pm

A few things to bear in mind.

Junior production companies have been hit , devastated, by the recent downturn in the base metals market. First Nickel ( FNI ), down from a high of .96 cents to .055 on Fri. Frontrea Copper ( FCC ), down from a high of $7.86 to .34 cents. Strategic Resource ( SRZ ), down from a high of $5.17 to .02 cents. The list goes on and on. Ursa is by no means the only producing junior that has seen it's SP tank. The difference between Ursa and many other junior producers is that Ursa can shut it's operations down in a flash and restart them just as quickly. Just about all the workers at the Shakespeare mine were contract workers. When operations at the mine were suspended, there were no severance settlements, no long drawn out contract negotiate or expensive costs associated with shutting down the mine. At the moment, Ursa have just 2 employees at the mine on payroll. Should metal prices pick up, Ursa can restart the mine at very short notice. They have a stockpile of ore ready to be shipped to Xstrata ( 15,000 tonnes ). There are no penalties involved due to the suspension of ore shipments to Xstrata and Ursa can begin shipping at any time. Also, Ursa still have some monies owing from previous shipments. There are some companies that will not weather this storm but Ursa is not one of them.

Very few nickel/ copper companies are making money with today's low metal prices. Already production is dropping worldwide. DMCI Mining in the Philippines has suspended production of it's nickel mine in Zambales. PT International Nickel of Indonesia has said they will reduce production in Q4 due to low prices. Minera resources of Australia has deferred it's $300 million expansion of it's nickel mine. The Russian Copper Company has shelved it's plan to expand into nickel.  Most if not all of the nickel pig iron producers have stopped producing once nickel dropped below $7.00, they account for approx. 8% of world production. Everywhere in the world, the supply of nickel is being reduced. It looks like nickel has hit a bottom although copper may have more downside. Hopefully the drying up of the supply of nickel will firm up nickel prices within the next 6 months or so. In any case, as soon as prices recover ( and they eventually will ) Ursa should be back in the business of making money.  Ursa own over 12 million shares of Pat, if Richmont ever take out Pat, a strong possibility, Ursa should get a cash windfall from the sales of it's Pat shares. Meanwhile, they have a few good properties to continue exploring and drilling.
Comment by KerBer on Oct 19, 2008 11:55pm
I forgot to mention that First Nickel has suspended operations at it's Lockerby mine in Sudbury.
Comment by tickle1st on Oct 21, 2008 9:18am
Kerbrilliantthanks for telling us all about the other companys. Truthfully, I'm only concerned about this company and the company this company has dealings with.Too bad that a lot of the money we could use right now has been pi$$ed up against the wall buying our own shares back and bailing out Patricia.I'm sure we'd all be sleeping better at night if that money was in the URSA treasury ...more  
Comment by gldblv on Oct 21, 2008 11:18am
If you invest in a company without also evaluating the market it is in and what other similar companies do, It tells alot about your investment skills.As for investing in PAT, you can have your opinion and future will tell us if it was good or bad.What brought the SP to its actual level is nickel price and not the PAT investment. 
Comment by KerBer on Oct 21, 2008 3:13pm
TORONTO (Reuters) - Shares of FNX Mining (FNX.TO: Quote) and North American Palladium (PDL.TO: Quote) dropped 14 and 19 percent respectively on Tuesday after the Canadian miners became the latest to announce mine closures due to sinking metals prices.Nickel and copper miner FNX said early on Tuesday it has suspended production at its Levack nickel mine in Sudbury, Ontario, while North American ...more  
Comment by tickle1st on Oct 23, 2008 10:24am
GldblvI take it your advice is ment for RS and his investment in Pat.But in all honesty, he needs to find a way to save URSA. IMHO, Pat will never return on investment.So, he has to use Pat holdings to save our as$es. I think he needs to make up about $2,5 million dollars out of Pat to make us close to our money back. It might be closer to $3 million, but right now we need out.   What ...more  
Comment by gldblv on Oct 23, 2008 2:53pm
Tickle, unfortunately your suggestion is now within possibilities.  We all have our own believes on the reason we are at this point.  But one thing is sure; This is far from what I had expected when I first invested in PAT 3 years ago.Anyways things sometimes turn sour and that is why we need to be diverted and re-evaluate on a regular basis if our investement is still progressing.I don& ...more  
Comment by lonecrow on Oct 27, 2008 12:52pm
So what needs to take place if we get delisted?  If it goes delisted we all lose right?  Or if the company folds? If the price stays low (of nickel) we will probably stay closed down indefintiely but for how long? The fact this schmuck put so much money into another mine still baffles me.  All that cash at hand right now would have kept the thing afloat much longer. I don't ...more  
Comment by tickle1st on Oct 28, 2008 10:20pm
A couple of weeks ago, I spoke with RS about the possibility of consolidating our share float. He said that this was not a consideration at that time.but we're probably going to be trading at a penny soon and I'm willing to consolidate to ensure that we come out of this with a good share position. Say 3-1 or 4-1.This might not be liked in some corners, but if it makes URSA stronger and its ...more  
Comment by tannin on Oct 29, 2008 12:22am
You amaze me tickle, still willing to have your hard earned in a venture run by RS. If he couldn`t handle pat properly, hell, he was using ursa funds to buy pat shares on the market instead of buying treasury shares and ensuring that pat had enough cash in the treasury to outlast ric`s sleezy games, and he couldn`t, what makes you think that he can operate anything with the amount of savvy ...more  
Comment by throughmud on Oct 29, 2008 3:59pm
Tannin, I could not disagree with you more. I think that RS has learned a huge amount from dealing with RIC wrt to PAT. I believe that he would never agree to the same kind of hamstringing deal again, and I think he may have learned the ultimate lesson regarding trust in business. RS is a very smart man and I would be willing to invest in his next venture, if there is one. I remain heavily ...more  
Comment by goldenboy41 on Oct 29, 2008 4:30pm
Seriously MUD, what colour is the sky in your world......wait a minute, obviously brown cause your head is so for up RS butt.He completely mismanaged and ruined Patricia which has a world class asset. Remember PAT controlled 100% of IG at one time and has just been taken out for $17M. Rivard must just sit back and laugh when idiots like continue to follow Jim Jones to the Kool Aide trough. Yup, Rs ...more  
Comment by throughmud on Oct 29, 2008 4:58pm
goldenboy41. I disagree with you completely. [One could equally say that you have your head up your buddie (relative?) GK's butt. But I won't because I do not have that same itch to scratch.] The fact is (and in my experience) exigencies like the ones that RS has just experienced tend to sharpen the mind and modify the approach.We shall see. mud
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