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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Vermilion Energy Inc T.VET

Alternate Symbol(s):  VET

Vermilion Energy Inc. is a Canada-based international energy producer. The Company seeks to create value through the acquisition, exploration, development, and optimization of producing assets in North America, Europe, and Australia. Its business model emphasizes free cash flow generation and returning capital to investors when economically warranted, augmented by value-adding acquisitions. The... see more

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Vermilion Energy Inc > PEG ratio
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Post by Oldnagger on May 12, 2022 11:40pm

PEG ratio

One of the more useful measures for Value investors is the P/ E to growth ratio 
I.E. if a stock has a P/E ratio of 10 and a 10% growth in earnings rate then it has a PEG rate of 1.0 and has traditionally been considered fairly valued. 
Well someone decided to throw that measure right out the window. The new religion has been chase the money ( just like a pup chasing his tail ) YET the new religion has led to some very dark corners as wiser investors are just starting to realize. What is the peg for Bitcoin which pays zero interest?
Infinity is the answer.

So what is the current PEG ratio for VET 0.06 is the answer (P/E of 3.4 divided by 54% growth rate over the last 3 years)

So what share price gets us to a PEG ratio of 1.0 ?
Hold on to your beer glass $23/ .06 = $ 383

How crazy is that ? Dunno, I have surely seen a lot crazier the last decade or so !!

VET 23.35 -0.6899 -2.87% : Vermilion Energy Inc - MSN Money
Comment by RevT79 on May 13, 2022 9:20am
Yes  it's prety much a daily gamble these days!!! Down 3% on those earning is just plain craziness!!!!
Comment by Ebankbank on May 13, 2022 9:25am
Couldn't agree more, VET has opportunities for the remaining year to have 3/4 of a billion in FCF and what will 2023 look like with no hedges or higher locked in hedges. This trading pattern is baffling?????
Comment by Larrymartin77 on May 15, 2022 4:47am
well said, have held VET since $6.50 ... cheers
Comment by CHECKMATE77 on May 15, 2022 4:49pm
Peg is irrelevant with oil and gas, it's cash flow per share that is the metric to use.
Comment by Oldnagger on May 15, 2022 8:55pm
Do the same calculation using the increase in cash flow per share over 3 years. See page 24 of the presentation !! https://www.vermilionenergy.com/files/Vermilion_Energy_-_Corporate_Presentation_-_May_2022.pdf
Comment by Binkie on May 15, 2022 9:18pm
Pretty amazing graphs oldnagger, projecting a peer leading $11/share of FCF. crazy number that looks will it will only grow into 2023
Comment by Oldnagger on May 16, 2022 2:08am
This may not sound very sexy , but I reconstruct here the PFCFG ratio as of Fridays Share Pricing  (CAD 24.70) and  the QI 2022 FCF  (including the Corrib Acquisition) of  Cad 4,90 per share) The Q1 2019 FCF was 0.013 per share ( and you divy lovers should take note that it is really important to look beyond the dividend rate !!)  So the annual growth rate for FCF has ...more  
Comment by JohnnyDoe on May 16, 2022 6:53am
I kind of have to question any metric or ratio pegging VET at 3500 bucks a share
Comment by Oldnagger on May 16, 2022 7:55am
Well, first of all you have to question every metric , as they all apply to the past rather than the future. Secondly , neither free cash flow or earnings are a perfect measure of profitability and both can be skewed to a certain degree Nevertheless, I was flabbergasted when I first saw the PEG metric published by MSN Money at the same time that they were recommending selling VET. Above all else ...more  
Comment by Oldnagger on May 16, 2022 8:24am
To highlite my point VET's current share price is essentially the same as it was in Q1 2029 , in spite of the fact that fcf is now 376 times greater !!
Comment by GregC24 on May 16, 2022 9:50am
Future price prediction?   :-)
Comment by Moemoney42 on May 16, 2022 9:54am
I think you must mean 2019.. ;-)  I don't think that that projection is very realistic.. but it does point to the undervalued nature of VET. But the market is a fickle lady.. and hard to impress.. :-/
Comment by Oldnagger on May 16, 2022 11:44am
Yes 2019, thx for pointing out the typo 
Comment by Binkie on May 16, 2022 7:48pm
Well I'd be happy if it was 2029- but only if it split 7 times and paid half the fcf in dividends...those are some astounding ratios you've uncovered oldnagger. Remarkable that it's basically even over the past 3 years. However it's a 4 bagger over the past year. Don't see that happening again but a double isn't far fetched. 
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