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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Vermilion Energy Inc T.VET

Alternate Symbol(s):  VET

Vermilion Energy Inc. is a Canada-based international energy producer. The Company seeks to create value through the acquisition, exploration, development, and optimization of producing assets in North America, Europe, and Australia. Its business model emphasizes free cash flow generation and returning capital to investors when economically warranted, augmented by value-adding acquisitions. The... see more

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Vermilion Energy Inc > Windfall tax
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Post by galaxyr on Sep 16, 2022 7:06pm

Windfall tax

Will VET, not be able to reduce its 2022 Irish taxes from the Corrib Sea by deducting the $500 million purchase price from its acquisition from Equinor and or use it's over $400 million in tax pools from the Corrib? Why would VET have to pay a windfall tax on earnings outside the EU? It's a Canadian listed company. I have a hard time thinking they have to pay additional taxes on Australian Brent oil earnings or north american earnings to the EU. Or am I missing something?
Comment by mnztr on Sep 16, 2022 7:12pm
hopefully they can set up a trading arm and sell the gas to that trading arm and declare income in Canada. 
Comment by stockmarket1 on Sep 16, 2022 10:54pm
Even though VET is a Canadian company. My understanding is any company that holds a footprint any parts of Europe, would be part of it.
Comment by Overertune on Sep 16, 2022 11:39pm
So EU wants to tax US and Canadian oil/gas companies for all their revenues?  Isn't that a joke?
Comment by Carlo2021 on Sep 17, 2022 8:10am
galaxyr wrote: Will VET, not be able to reduce its 2022 Irish taxes from the Corrib Sea by deducting the $500 million purchase price from its acquisition from Equinor and or use it's over $400 million in tax pools from the Corrib? Why would VET have to pay a windfall tax on earnings outside the EU? It's a Canadian listed company. I have a hard time thinking they have to pay additional ...more  
Comment by Quintessential1 on Sep 17, 2022 2:03pm
The same way they have to pay royalties to the EU via Ireland. I am sure they will make use of any tax pools and write offs that they are allowed including possibly reinvesting capital, (this tax year), to reduce taxable revenue.  That is what the accountants are for. However, if the EU passes this windfall tax they can and will impose it on VET and it probaby will eat into shareholder ...more  
Comment by Overertune on Sep 17, 2022 2:22pm
If windfall tax only applies to Europe revenues, who is going to sell to them next year?  Let these idiots live in the dark.
Comment by prested on Sep 16, 2022 11:13pm
The Europeans, like governments everywhere, thnk they can do a lot of things which reality proves they cannot. Don't assume that because they were able to agree over Ukraine (to even their own surprise) that they will be able to come to any agreement about how this ill thought out propsal could be anything except a total abortion.  Remember, unlike Ukraine, they will not have America on ...more  
Comment by Moemoney42 on Sep 16, 2022 11:20pm
I think the tax could get a bit of opposition as well.. might not be a guaranteed thing.. I'm sure the industry will be at the table with a reality check.. will it be understood.. who knows..?? 
Comment by EnergyWatcher55 on Sep 17, 2022 5:27pm
VET operates in Ireland and would be subject to Ireland's taxes. Its that simple. 
Comment by Quintessential1 on Sep 18, 2022 7:36am
You don't think that Ireland is part of the EU?
Comment by Overertune on Sep 18, 2022 7:40pm
Whatever taxes they want, they have to tell the company ahead of time and let the company decide whether they want to provide services.  You can just ate the food and then tell them it should be free?! tax can't go backwards. Even third world countries don't do that.  I can't imagine eu is coming up with this.  No wonder their economy is all messed up.
Comment by Abedim15 on Sep 19, 2022 9:21am
Unfortunately in this case I believe you are incorrect. They will in fact tax "excess" profits for the entire year of 2022 regardless of the fact that the decree won't be introduced until September 30th. Vermillion will be making lots of money nonetheless 
Comment by stockmarket1 on Sep 19, 2022 9:58am
And they'll end up paying a lot due too.
Comment by Moemoney42 on Sep 19, 2022 11:01am
If the tax is introduced for 2022 they will have the Corribe acquisition to counter those profits.. as previously mentioned by someone here.. Europe would be foolish to impose a "windfall tax" on a sector they need to have invest in production desperately.. I'm sure the industry players in Europe will table this fact and pose it this way.. if you want to be reliant on outside ...more  
Comment by Oldnagger on Sep 19, 2022 11:42am
I am not sure how things will play out for 2022. After all VET had significant hedges on their own production of nat gas in Europe . The other 36.5% of Corrib being purchased from Equinor belongs to VET in the sense that the income snce Jan 1 is being deducted from the settlement price , yet who is the taxable entity ?
Comment by TVR on Sep 19, 2022 2:41pm
The taxable entity is Equinor Ireland which is what VET is buying.  Therefore they inherit any tax liability in Equinor Ireland.  However, if any WPT is based on taxable income as per the EU announcement, the accumulated unused tax loss carry forward should shelter VET from regular and windfall taxes for a few years. 
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