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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Veren Inc T.VRN

Alternate Symbol(s):  VRN

Veren Inc. is a Canada-based oil producer with assets in central Alberta and southeast and southwest Saskatchewan. The principal activities of the Company are acquiring, developing and holding interests in petroleum and natural gas properties and assets related thereto through a general partnership and wholly owned subsidiaries. Its core operational areas include Kaybob Duvernay and Alberta... see more

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Veren Inc > Here is WHAT is Horribly WRONG with Capital Gain TAXATION
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Post by Red_Deer on Dec 30, 2024 10:14pm

Here is WHAT is Horribly WRONG with Capital Gain TAXATION

Hey PACKER__One LAST Kick at the CAPITAL GAINS Can !!!

IMHO It IS Quite APPROPRIATE to Have LESS TAX on GAINS vs SALARY Income

At LEAST For TRUE Long Term BUY & HOLD Investors Such as MYSELF.

The REASON is That MUCH of the SO CALLED ""GAIN"" is ACTUALLY JUST
the RESULT of YEARS of INFLATIONARY Increase__WHICH Keeps CUTTING 
the ""Real ADJUSTED for InFlation GAIN"" That SHOULD BE TAXED

NOTE That in the USA There IS Recognition FOR Short Term VS Long TERM
Capital Gains__With a LESSOR RATE for Long Term Holdings


What REALLY Bugs me the MOST with regard to Capital Gain Taxation is that there is NO
RELIEF/CREDIT Provided for BUY & HOLD True Investors__Compared to the Short Term
Traders.
 
As Example__I Have Held TELUS ever Since the IPO, Fall of 1990, when AGT was Privatized
by the Alberta Government__So this October I will Have Had TELUS as one of my MAIN 2
Holdings for 34 YEARS !!!!
 
Thus over that LONG Time period there HAS Accumulated a LARGE Capital Gain__Basically
Made UP For INFLATION and Time Value of $$$$$.
 
So I Strongly Believe that It is TOTALLY  UNFAIR for My Estate to Have to PAY a HUGE TAX
on the GAINS over Say 55 YEARS by Then__Compared to Short Term Traders
 
There Has GOTTA BE Some Sort of TAX Relief/Credit on Capital Gains over Such a LONG
Period__As MUCH of that Gain is Simply INFLATION and NOT ACTUAL REAL Gains !!!!


How BAD/UNFAIR is the Capital Gains Taxation of Long Term BUY & HOLDers ??????

THIS is HOW BAD it Can BE__We Currently Would Pay 10 Times MORE Taxes OVER What the Actual REAL GAINs were in this Exanmple__The LONGER the HOLD PERIOD the WORST it Gets eh !!!!!

Understanding inflation’s impact would help investors see how closely their nominal returns are keeping pace with purchasing power, especially over an extended period when a modestly lower yield can produce a huge difference in principal. Since 1957 the Standard & Poor’s index has gained 10.26 per cent a year. After inflation, however, its return has been 6.37 per cent. That makes a huge difference. An initial investment of $10,000 in 1957 would have grown to an impressive $5,185,000 in nominal terms by 2023. But in real (i.e., inflation-adjusted) terms, it would be only $520,506 — not bad, but barely 10 per cent the inflation-swollen amount.
Comment by packerdriver on Dec 31, 2024 3:34pm
Reddeer, my friend! Why don't you just launch into the Gordon Gecko "Greed is GOOD" monologue!!! In that 34 years of owning Telus you collected VERY good dividends that attracted a very favorable tax treatment. And now you want a better rate on your gap gains AS WELL??? Sheesh! Capital gains taxes are DEFERRED taxation....all the while that the SP has gone up, increasing your net ...more  
Comment by baranja on Dec 31, 2024 3:51pm
Phacker,.. all you need to say " I was wroing about corrupted Justine,... she is the worst thing ever happend to Canada,.. ever".. That's it.
Comment by Seppelt on Dec 31, 2024 4:44pm
In most, if not all democracies the economic system is based on Capitalism. A system where private individuals and businesses control the means of production and often rely on private investors.  Investing is risky and to promote and encourage it, many countries have various schemes to target specific industries and/or a general system of taxing capital gains at lower rates. In Canada it is ...more  
Comment by packerdriver on Dec 31, 2024 6:48pm
BS....WRONG Seppelt... you are spreading misinformation....Canada is NOT "a simple 50%"....that is factually wrong on its face.....It keeps getting repeated all the time but it's FALSE. The real, REAL.... is in Canada ONLY 50% of capital gains are subject to tax. The highest income tax bracket is 33%. Are you good at math? The net result is capital gains are actually, in the REAL ...more  
Comment by Seppelt on Jan 01, 2025 1:19pm
Packer, packer. Comrade Pack driver! Here is another example of you say something on the internet, and then someone jumps in red faced spewing foam screaming, BS, Wrong, False. It is very common that when people, tax professionals included, discuss various incomes say this income is taxed 100%, dividend income, for instance is taxed at less than 100% and capital gains are taxed at 50%. What it ...more  
Comment by Marty47 on Jan 01, 2025 3:24pm
I was a vp , pretty good for 20 years and got paid with stock options in USA .... I cash an average of 50k to 80k a year in my stock option all USA and switch back to Canadian $$ extra 30% more ... I was really happy to pay 50% in tax ... max my rrsp every year and tfsa .... now in my mid 50 and I no longer work .... just slowing deleverage my rrsp at lower brakets .... build my tfsa account over ...more  
Comment by Seppelt on Jan 02, 2025 9:14am
Marty - “I don't see the tax system too bad in Canada ...” No complaints, as long as there is stability and no frequent changes. Love TFSA and big thanks to Wacos for keeping it. The only thing they did in the latest budget is changing capital gains tax. Anyone whos net capital gains are higher than $250,000 will be paying higher taxes. It took them almost 9 years to satisfy their urge...
Comment by jleer42 on Jan 02, 2025 11:13am
They were talking about taxing unrealized capital gains. As dumb and destructive as it sounds you know it would have come with the tag line, "the rich just need to do a little more as the Libs put a stop to profiteering and unfair speculation"
Comment by packerdriver on Jan 02, 2025 12:37pm
There you guys go again. You're attacking somebody because of what you THINK he was thinking??? That's like saying: "That guy is a CRIMINAL, I just know he wanted to rob that bank" Nonsense. Just like Seppelt posted "Anyone whos net capital gains are higher than 250k  will be paying higher taxes." Well, yeah...ON AND ONLY THE PORTION ABOVE 250k....otherwise he WON ...more  
Comment by Marty47 on Jan 02, 2025 1:32pm
Hey Packer didn't say castreau did a good job , all I said is the tax system in Canada sound ok to me ... As long you play the game , max this max that etc , this happened under the liberals and conservative ... but for castreau ... give me a break this man is a self center punk wacko with a mission to bring oil and gas down with mandate ev and making difficult to bring projects with new bills ...more  
Comment by packerdriver on Jan 02, 2025 2:51pm
"bring down oil, Marty" Have you had a look at what is actually happening and about to happen??? "As of May 2024, S&P Global Commodity Insights projects that Canadian oil sands production will reach 3.8 million barrels per day (mbd) by 2030, which is 500,000 b/d higher than current levels. This is a 15% increase from the current production of 3.3 million bpd." So Canadian ...more  
Comment by Marty47 on Jan 02, 2025 3:34pm
Well we will build pipeline with Peter and export to Asia down the road ..... we will be rich nation and pay down Justine hole and have more $$$ for health care for an aging population ..... we will be between Sweden and Saudi Arabia lol .... for environment ... well carbon capture will evolve and we produce more with less co2 .... think big ... not like wacko we will be unify nation and the ...more  
Comment by packerdriver on Jan 02, 2025 5:30pm
Marty is dreaming!!! build a pipeline and export to Asia??? I'm in BC and reading the public opinion tea leaves around here I'm pretty confident that ANOTHER oil pipeline to tidewater, at this end of the country, is an absolute NON STARTER. Things could always change I guess...in 20-30 years. How old are you again? And you propose to "unify the nation"? by calling the other side  ...more  
Comment by Marty47 on Jan 02, 2025 8:25pm
It will be easy to unify the country , soon the libtards will be alleniate , only 10% of Canadians will still have the ideology , mostly brainwashed people , new immigrants , old people with dementia , and lgbtq and YOU lol , but hey once Peter will start to cut off useless programs and people will see things improved then a lot libtards will come onboard , the libtards will be no longer a ...more  
Comment by Seppelt on Jan 02, 2025 5:36pm
The dude is on the site for oil and gas investors, praising Wacos for rising oil production. He is fighting a loosing battle with people who know that things are happening not because of Trudeau, but despite him and other Wacos. But he is probably better off here, among us polite people, than in a circle of so-called progressives. I recently had a dinner with a few families. They are in their ...more  
Comment by packerdriver on Jan 02, 2025 9:32pm
Oh good! If the ever rising oil and gas production in Canada has happened DESPITE Trudeau and Wacos.....when PP gets to be PM and houses are cheap again, grocecies cheaper, paycheques powerful....I'll get to say that all happened DESPITE our new PM....his claim to fame will be conquering inflation and high interst rates !!!! Oh wait! That's already happened...too bad. Age brings ...more  
Comment by Moemoney42 on Jan 02, 2025 9:47pm
"I get a real kick out of Albertans getting all excited about voting for a guy named PIERRE...oh, the irony of it all!" Well I had an elderly friend named Adolf (RIP) that was quite a nice fellow.. so what's your point..?
Comment by Seppelt on Jan 03, 2025 12:41am
I read Pierre's bio a few years ago. And you probably know it. He was adopted by a French couple. His biological mother was a teen, of Irish descent. I believe, he met her as an adult. The couple didn't hide it from him, which was nice. He is a very likeable person and in my and many others opinion the best leader PC ever had. I always vote PC in my riding, and always will regardless who ...more  
Comment by pierrelebel on Dec 31, 2024 6:50pm
Sweden has a flat tax rate of 30% for capital gains. The Swedish tax authorities defines capital gains as incomes that can not be attributed to business operations or service. For example; rental of private assets, dividends, profit from the sale of assets and interest payments. Is this better than our systen?  I think not. In the UK Capital Gains Tax rates in the UK for 2024/25 10 ...more  
Comment by packerdriver on Dec 31, 2024 8:59pm
Clearly Mr Lebel, the British have experienced home appfordability challenges long before we did and seem to have responded by hitting rental property investors in the pocketbook with much higher capital gains taxes. "Want less of something? TAX it" 20% on the ENTIRE gain is propbaly pretty close to Canada's rate if you include provincial taxes on income made higher by the 50 ...more  
Comment by packerdriver on Dec 31, 2024 5:46pm
I could make a comment about the weather on this board and I'd get 4-5 responses about Trudeau....that's just plain wierd! Carry on rabid Trudeau haters. Canada ain't "DESTROYED"...not by a long shot.      https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/gdp
Comment by Red_Deer on Jan 01, 2025 5:05am
""Reddeer, my friend! Why don't you just launch into the Gordon Gecko "Greed is GOOD" monologue!!!"" Hey PACKER__NOT SURE__But ARE You CALLING Me GREEDY eh ???? IF SO, Then THAT is RICH Coming From a Hard Core UNION Dude Like YOU eh !!! Unions USED to Have a VALUABLE Contribution to Society__BUT During the Past  HALF of My LIFE They HAVE BECOME Anything ...more  
Comment by packerdriver on Jan 01, 2025 12:20pm
I was never a union member in my life Reddeer...my only experience with unions is at the very end of my working life I worked as a superintendent for a company that happened to be union and it was not a pleasant experience. Lousy actually. Sorry you took offense at "greedy"...Gecko said everybody is greedy and he's kind of right. Union members always want more and use the power they ...more  
Comment by Red_Deer on Jan 01, 2025 1:59pm
Hey PACKER__OK__My ERROR in ASSUMING That eh !!! But NONE of This is About WANTING MORE or GREED It is ALL ABOUT Wanting to BE Taxed PROPERLY/FAIRLY With Regard to CAPITAL GAINS__RECOGNIZING That For LONG TERM Capital Assets MUCH of the ""GAIN"" is NOT a REAL GAIN Due to the CONSTANT Loss of VALUE to INFLATION of the ORIGINAL $$$$ Used to Buy the Capital Asset
Comment by AndrewWiggin on Jan 01, 2025 3:54pm
I don't know what you're going on about.  You should be happy that you were allowed to let your assets grow without paying any tax.  If they institure a tax on unrealized capital gains then you'll have something to bellyache about.
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