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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum WELL Health Technologies Corp T.WELL

Alternate Symbol(s):  WHTCF | T.WELL.DB

WELL Health Technologies Corp. is a practitioner-focused digital healthcare company. The Company develops technologies, services, and support available, which ensures healthcare providers are empowered to positively impact patient outcomes. Its business units include Canadian Patient Services, WELL Health USA Patient Services and SaaS and Technology Services. WELL Health USA Patient and... see more

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WELL Health Technologies Corp > CRH Growth Engines
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Post by monty613 on Jan 26, 2022 3:21pm

CRH Growth Engines

bandit69 wrote: They have some medical clinics.  Ok.  How do they actually grow a medical clinic that is typically already booked to capacity on a daily basis and are price takers at whims of gov't and insurer pricing?  Some synergies?


I have explained the CRH Medical business in detail on here. CRH represents ~50% of WELL's EBITDA run rate.

it has 2 growth engines. WELL is also trying to capitalize on CRH's relationships with doctors to cross-sell its suite of EMR and other SaaS products.

Product Sales - propietary hemerrhoid banding device with high margins. the company sells this patented device directly to GI doctors. it's a cheap, disposable one-time use product that avoids surgery to remove hemerrhoids. CRH in the past had estimated the market for this could represent a $100MM per annum revenue opportunity. last I checked they were doing $10MM-$15MM per year and they had grown this from $2MM-$3MM. WELL is now opening 'clinics' in Canada (mentioned in recent NR) to deploy this tool and they will have MyHealth (ON) and WELL clinics (BC) do self-referral. I would venture to guess these 'clinics' will operate out of existing MyHealth and WELL spaces so there will be minimal incremental costs. CRH will benefit from product sales to these entities and the MyHealth company will capture revenues from the procedures. 

GI Anesthesia Consolidation - the colonoscopy market is highly fragmented the USA and mostly consists of small, regional doctors' groups. the doctors who perform the colonoscopies also own the anesthesia business, which is billed separately to insurers and to Medicare. CRH buys a majority stake in the anesthesia and keeps the doctor on as a 49% owner. the doctor gets a windfall of cash and CRH benefits from profits/cashflow in perpetuity, so long as the doctor is alive and operating his/her clinic. CRH's costs are limited to anesthesia supplies and CRNAs (nurses) who perform the anesthesia. they are simply a vendor to the clinic and don't have all the overhead of a normal clinic owner/operator.

CRH buys at relatively low multiples of EBITDA given the size of the companies (4-5X) and consolidates up into an entity that trades at 10X-15X. there is a long runway for growth because how fragmented the market is. they operate in <100 ASCs/clinics and there are thousands of such acquisition targets.

management at CRH is very experienced has a history in both anesthesia operations and M&A. the former CEO Tushar Ramani just left (cost savings for WELL?) and left the reins to Jay Kreger who used to run HCA Healthcare's ASC operations. HCA has a $74bn market cap. under Mr. Kreger, HCA expanded their ASC business by way of M&A.


https://www.crhanesthesia.com/management-team/
Comment by thelostarc on Jan 26, 2022 4:36pm
Monty, thanks for the info. The short term folks can say what they like. We are patient, long term shareholders consolidating a leading position in multiple healthcare spaces. Let the numbers speak for themselves. Let the free cash flow speak for itself. There is no point engaging with these short-term, short-minded investors who just want everyone to dump the stock so they can either gain from ...more  
Comment by HotDiggityDogg on Jan 26, 2022 5:23pm
You're a bit too LONG term of an investor ... 40 years ....the CEO himself will sell the company in a year or two ... but you go ahead and hold the stock for 38 more years.  
Comment by HotDiggityDogg on Jan 26, 2022 5:30pm
Btw... the company you're talking about holding their stock for 30 years ( GDNP) ; I sold 100,000 of their shares at $ 1.30 in April of last year. Meanwhile you're talking about holding for another 30 years until they become a billion dollar company. I could buy back into GDNP today at half of the price, but I have moved on and would never buy into that company ...just wanted to mention ...more  
Comment by thelostarc on Jan 26, 2022 8:33pm
Our holding periods are definitely different. I don't think Hamid will want to sell WELL after just one or two more years of holding. I think he wants to build a legacy but building WELL into a healthcare giant, and he has all the right tools, resources and people to do so. But only time will tell... will you have enough time to see this through or will you sell, buy, buy, sell hoping to turn ...more  
Comment by HotDiggityDogg on Jan 26, 2022 10:36pm
Buddy after reading your other posts I have concluded 2 things ; you are playing with TINY money and if this was a casino ; you would never be allowed to sit at the same table as yours truly. I let you think/believe what you want !!! You be you and wait for 40 years for your 2.5 shares to 10x and I do me !!! Good luck to all. 
Comment by thelostarc on Jan 27, 2022 11:55am
Mate, I'm not playing with tiny money... though you be playing with tiny other things. It would seem that you can't even hold on throughout the day, so don't even bother talking about my timelines of 5, 10, 20 or 40 years. Don't even worry about 40 years, you probably never held a stock for even 5 years. Here you are, talking about plus minus 10% changes in share price, I don' ...more  
Comment by HotDiggityDogg on Jan 27, 2022 4:29pm
Ok my friend. The reason why it's obvious you are investing tiny money is the upsides you are dreaming of!! Or the timeline you mention ( 40 years)  It's a complete giveaway lol  to want to 100x your money ??  After reading about your other investments and finding out that you held GDNP through a huge drop, or to say WELL can buy Lifelabs currently I think I have seen ...more  
Comment by thelostarc on Jan 27, 2022 9:42pm
There is absolutely no evidence linking the amount of money invested to the time horizon. Time horizon of investment is basesd on an investor's temperment and ability to stay in the trade. It has nothing to do with how much you invest. There is no proof that you can point to, because such proof doesn't exist. What is a giveaway is that we have a board where one or two people go my mulitple ...more  
Comment by bandit69 on Jan 27, 2022 12:09am
Is the band the only option on the market?  is there competition? (I looked there appears to be competition?) When does the patent expire? *after I wrote that I actually searched the patent you mention.  It was issued July 18, 2006.  With a 20 expiry "after date of application" isn't the patent set to expire soon?  Like soon.  Almost looks like it has ...more  
Comment by monty613 on Jan 27, 2022 7:58am
it's a syringe that deploys a rubber band. it's not one of a kind and there are already other competitors and similar products. they are not hanging their hat on this one patent. like I said, this only represents $10MM-$15MM of the entire businesses revenue. they are looking to scale it through all the GI doctor relationships they have and through their own MyHealth channel. it's ...more  
Comment by bandit69 on Jan 27, 2022 12:39pm
All good, monty but thanks.  He was a very interesting guy.  Funny thing, he was also incredibly rational and reasonable on many things.  He even said to me that doctors (and lawyers) were notoriously poor investors.  Made me laugh. Don't get me wrong, I don't hope WELL crashes or goes up, it is irrelevant to me.  What I watch is how it performs compard to my own ...more  
Comment by thelostarc on Jan 27, 2022 1:33pm
You're comparing CPG, a completely commodity-based, highly cyclical business to WELL, a service-based, highly stable business? What in the world...
Comment by bandit69 on Jan 27, 2022 2:29pm
lostarc, you will see what you want to see.  The business model is the point.  Debt is the point.  Debt in a rising interest rate environment is the point.  Financings are the point.  As I said many times with CPG and others, if access to capital is available, the party continues.  If the capital window closes or is restricted, that's when the problems surface ...more  
Comment by thelostarc on Jan 27, 2022 3:27pm
Maybe you should take your glasses off, might help you see a clearer picture. Now you're comparing dot.com bubble companies to WELL? Most dot.com bubble companies did not generate one dollar, ONE DOLLAR, of revenue in the 5-10 years they were around. WELL is going to generate over $500MM of revenue this year alone. CPG? The capital window for oil and gas has nothing to do with interest rates ...more  
Comment by bandit69 on Jan 27, 2022 3:37pm
Sorry, in all of my days on boards, I've never encountered someone as dumb as you.  lostarc is an appropriate name.
Comment by monty613 on Jan 27, 2022 5:38pm
I respect your opinion and do appreciate the good discussion. unlike many on Stockhouse you sound like you actually do basic due diligence such as reading financials and MD&As. it is refreshing to chat with someone so informed. absent the government taking a hammer to healthcare (which is possible given the mess of US/Canada govt balance sheets) my view here is that the cashflows are ...more  
Comment by speedy99 on Jan 27, 2022 9:47am
As to Growth in medical clinics, I would also point out the following comments from WELL's recent press release: "Furthermore, WELL continues to demonstrate network effects from its CRH acquisition and opened a new haemorrhoid treatment clinic in Toronto and completed the acquisition of another haemorrhoid treatment center in Surrey, BC. Both clinics are majority owned by WELL as 51 ...more  
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