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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Western Copper and Gold Corp T.WRN

Alternate Symbol(s):  WRN

Western Copper and Gold Corporation is a Canada-based mining company. The Company is engaged in developing the Casino Project. The Casino Project is a copper-gold mining project in Yukon, Canada. The Casino porphyry copper-gold-molybdenum deposit is located in west central Yukon, in the northwest trending Dawson Range mountains, approximately 300 kilometers (km) northwest of the territorial... see more

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Post by jclarke042 on Jan 27, 2023 8:42am

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To answer your questions: 

1. "Is Moly removed from NPV?"

No. The presentation deck just highlights copper/gold sensitivity as those are the two primary metals here. Page 334 of the FS, table 22-6 starts the financial model. A few items of note: 1. Moly is right there with copper/gold/silver. 2. Page 336, at the bottom, provides NPV as several discount.....levels, if you will. Being predominately a copper project, we use 8%, as is standard. Yet, were you to use 5%, typically used in predominately precious metals projects, the after-tax NPV jumps from 2.33 to 4b CAD. Paul's stated a few times, companies, Rio included, use their own financial model to value projects.

The after tax, 8% discounted NPV of 2.33b already considers Moly. They're not short changing Casino's valuation. 

2. "Why does a project trade at 2.0x NPV?"  Ultimately, market sentiment is all that matters, as I'll discuss more below. 

3. "Is permitting the reason for the low price?"  No. Permitting risk is rather low, IMO, considering between our management / board, we have:

a) a founding memeber of YESAB, the very board considering our application, b) the lead on Coffee's gold project environmental assessment,  c) a two-decade veteran of environmental & FN relations re large scale projects in Canada and d) the engineer who designed a few of  Rio's recent copper projects. Apart from the length of time, and possibly some give & take with the FN's, I see little additional permitting risk.

Reason for the low price is simply market sentiment. This story has been around 15 years, with several more before operations. Management does a poor job of communication, of hitting projected milestones on time, and of overcoming market objections to things like CAPEX, grade, and time risk etc.

What sounds like a more exciting trade? "Yeah permitting is still 4 years, once we submit the application at some point this year." OR "Here, we drilled a mile long bit and came up with 1.25% copper. More on the way."
Comment by Sooner on Jan 27, 2023 9:21am
Great feedback Clark i might also add - from a permitting standpoint, does anyone really believe they would be spending all that money from a govt standpoint to build bridges and roads to casino if not for this eventually turning into a mine?!!? one other bit of wisdom, when people say we didn't include anything other than phase 1 in the NPV, it's because most people are idiots. They ...more  
Comment by stockcopper on Jan 27, 2023 11:50am
Hi jclarke  I think the answer from Oakie 1 is probably right. Something has to up because  the value of materials even with the long term base case prices is $30.7 B USD my calculations are  ------------------------------- Copper $4.50 or approx $3.36 US Molybdenum $17.50 = $13.05 US Gold $2,125.00 = $1,585 US Silver $27.50 = $20.5 US     ---------- ...more  
Comment by Sooner on Jan 28, 2023 9:57am
$2.33B CAD NPV seems very small only if you understand how the NPV is calculated. 1M ounces mined in year 27 is "valued" at only 12% of the 1M ounces mined in year 1 at a 12% discount factor.... Undiscounted cash flow is more like $11B i believe on Phase 1 based upon base case metal prices. This is the FS. Using spot it is MUCH higher.  Most likely, the capex in the below ...more  
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