Post by
jclarke042 on Mar 24, 2023 8:32am
Mitsubishi Materials Corp.
At first glance, MMC's involvement here is NOT to acquire Casino outright down the road, nor (IMO) is it necessarily designed to get Rio to pull the trigger. Be interesting to see if they elect to keep 8%, up to 12.5% or stay at 7.x %.
MMC does develop mines & projects, but appears they're not sole owner/operators but more junior partners, on to feed their smelters & refiners, then selling to end-users. Check here:
https://www.mmc.co.jp/corporate/en/business/metals/
In the Americas, MMC is:
25% partner in Copper Mountain Mine, BC Canada
30% ownership in Montoverde Mine, Chile
5% partner in Los Pelambres, Chile
The only real "con" here IMO is realistically no buyout this year. Given the track record, we HAVE TO assume Mitsubishi will take 24 months, and that Rio will extend past November to the same time frame.
Grat, you're right: MMC isn't big enough to take this on solo, so this is more building the consortium than pitting one against the other. But we've got runway now on cash, I was getting nervous reading the cash flow statement yesterday - we burned half our $$ position in 2022. I'm more comfortable with the time horizon now with someone else on board. I'll consider selling a small take here on any run-up, it WILL come back down, so no fear on missing out.
Steve - couple years ago you mentioned the possibility of a Japanese company getting involved here. Good work.
Comment by
Sooner on Mar 24, 2023 8:48am
and at a minimum, let's just take solace in the fact that SOMEONE other than Rio believes that Casino is worth more than just moose grazing pasture ---- like that stupid meth smoking meathead monkey worshipper tries to convince us of...
Comment by
Pinegrove on Mar 24, 2023 12:36pm
With such a minority interest why would they have the ability to negotiate X% of copper offtake. I would think that they are a shareholder like anyone else and this investement doesn't give them any more rights than anyone else with a similar stake.
Comment by
IvanRo on Mar 24, 2023 1:20pm
A similar strategy was done by Glencore and Traifigura for Ironbark Zinc for up to 70% offtake. Both are major shareholders.
Comment by
EvenSteven27 on Mar 24, 2023 11:42pm
JC, I live 20 minutes away from Mitsubishi's Yahata/Tobata smelter. That is where Rio sends all their ore for Japan. They are partners. A few years back I talked to a Mr. Obata. He said he wasn't obligated to answer questions. His English was impeccable.