Join today and have your say! It’s FREE!

Become a member today, It's free!

We will not release or resell your information to third parties without your permission.
Please Try Again
{{ error }}
By providing my email, I consent to receiving investment related electronic messages from Stockhouse.

or

Sign In

Please Try Again
{{ error }}
Password Hint : {{passwordHint}}
Forgot Password?

or

Please Try Again {{ error }}

Send my password

SUCCESS
An email was sent with password retrieval instructions. Please go to the link in the email message to retrieve your password.

Become a member today, It's free!

We will not release or resell your information to third parties without your permission.
Quote  |  Bullboard  |  News  |  Opinion  |  Profile  |  Peers  |  Filings  |  Financials  |  Options  |  Price History  |  Ratios  |  Ownership  |  Insiders  |  Valuation

Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Xtract One Technologies Inc. T.XTRA

Alternate Symbol(s):  XTRAF | T.XTRA.WT

Xtract One Technologies Inc. is a Canada-based technology-driven threat detection and security solution provider, leveraging artificial intelligence (AI) to provide secure patron access control experiences. The Company's segments include Platform and Xtract. The Platform segment develops and commercializes a platform of AI-powered threat detection technologies. The Xtract segment develops and... see more

TSX:XTRA - Post Discussion

Xtract One Technologies Inc. > Karen Hersh Told You Everything You Need to Know
View:
Post by bobbythebaker on Jun 16, 2023 7:47am

Karen Hersh Told You Everything You Need to Know

I listened to the presentation at the Best 50 Virtual Investors Conference yesterday.  For those following the company, there wasn’t anything new presented.  I did, however, notice something on the final Q&A question, The question was about the company’s focus for the rest of 2023.  Peter talked about converting contracts to installations, scaling the business and 3rd party certifications.  Then he turned the microphone over to Karen CFO Hersh for her final comments.  Karen said she echoed everything Peter said, and then added her main focus currently is funding all the growth ahead.  And hers was the final word for the conference call.

 

I wondered why XTRA, who chooses their words carefully and thoughtfully, would end a promotional event talking about the need for funding, never a popular subject with investors.  It seemed as if they actually were trying to talk the share price down.  And then everything fell into place for me.  As we have seen over the past year, the journey from interested customer to paying customer is a long one with XTRA.  And with 70% of customers choosing (and XTRA preferring) the subscription model, there is presumably no cash on installation, followed by a slow and steady steam of monthly income, so cash burn is still a real thing for the company.  And with what looks to be ramping growth (and thus ever higher upfront costs for XTRA), I suspect this phenomenon will continue for the foreseeable future.  One need look no further than EVLV humming along at $55mm annual revenue, but with record negative cash flow of $98mm last year.

 

So I found Karen’s comment to be the most telling of all.  Yes, XTRA is growing like crazy.  But they are also playing the long game on profitability.  So if as an investor, you are measuring success by next quarter’s (or next year’s) cash burn, you may as well sell now.  I suspect the reason XTRA ended their presentation with talk of funding, and why Peter has been on some private equity talk podcasts of late, is that XTRA is out with hat in hand looking for massive funding to pay for a tidal wave of customer interest that has come their way.  So I expect there to be ongoing dilution in the future, and frankly, that XTRA is currently understating their prospects to keep the share price in check in order to keep the share price at a level where equity investors will sign checks to fund the kind of growth we are already, the kind that everyone dreams about.

 

Personally, I’ve never invested in these sorts of build it first, monetize it later sorts of models.  This has lead me to steer clear of the likes of AMZN, GOOG, NFLX, etc to my great detriment.  But this time, I am on board, having fully loaded my position when the company was at a $50mm market cap.  And while I’m not suggesting XTRA will be a trillion dollar horseman of the Nasdaq some day, I believe one day it could be a Nasdaq listed entity with thousands of installations and a market cap measured in the billions.

 

We’ll have to see how XTRA plays it.  Looking at EVLV's 10-K, it seems they chose a $300mm PIPE investment in 2021 that gave them a cash hoard that still stands at $234mm today.  I expect XTRA will need similar capital to fund the kind of growth ahead, whether through debt (currently very pricy with today’s rates) or equity.  But I also expect EVLV to fund more modestly in near term, and to go for larger sums as sales, and thus its market cap, increases.  Ultimately, I expect to be smartly diluted over time.  But for each increase in share count, I see sales and ultimate profitability increasing 5 or 10 fold, a trade I would be happy to make in what I expect will be some exciting years ahead.

Comment by Boomnbust on Jun 16, 2023 8:43am
This post has been removed in accordance with Community Policy
Comment by bobbythebaker on Jun 16, 2023 9:39am
Our views are more alike than you think.  I feel there will be significant share price appreciation in the near, mid and long term.  I’m just not sure it will be accompanied by short term profitability or a fixed share count.  But for certain, I see the market taking XTRA much higher on increasing sales and growth (this is what the market truly loves), well before the Income ...more  
Comment by JVJ24601 on Jun 16, 2023 10:00am
@boom @bobby.   Xtract will most likely close FY2023  with $17.5m in operating cost, $3.5m in revenue and $5.5m in cash reserves.  That's my math and estimate, but welcome others ideas. There are no more Silicon Valley banks betting on risks like this.  They themselves are out of business.  Canaccord stepped away on this last round, even with MSGG investment of $13m ...more  
Comment by bobbythebaker on Jun 16, 2023 10:59am
JVJ24601:  I believe you’re right that XTRA will need to dilute with funding, and you’re right that plrenty of cash burn will happen.  But I believe you’re missing the point.  EVLV has a market cap of 7x that of XTRA’s.  So even if XTRA raised $174mm right here and doubled the share count (they won’t - better to wait until the company is further along than to dilute massively ...more  
Comment by Boomnbust on Jun 16, 2023 11:13am
This post has been removed in accordance with Community Policy
Comment by TedOrlow on Jun 16, 2023 12:48pm
This post has been removed in accordance with Community Policy
Comment by JVJ24601 on Jun 17, 2023 12:48pm
Lol.  Not an Evolv shill. Nor am I  BeastyBoy... Just stating financial facts in my post and providing my projections.   Has Anyone, and I mean anyone here read the "footnote 1" on the $9.5m in contracts from press release...  suggest everyone read it...  $9.5m is  predicated on successful performance requirement as outline in these contracts.   ...more  
Comment by Rick311 on Jun 18, 2023 8:08am
Rumour is your boyfriend dumped you
The Market Update
{{currentVideo.title}} {{currentVideo.relativeTime}}
< Previous bulletin
Next bulletin >

At the Bell logo
A daily snapshot of everything
from market open to close.

{{currentVideo.companyName}}
{{currentVideo.intervieweeName}}{{currentVideo.intervieweeTitle}}
< Previous
Next >
Dealroom for high-potential pre-IPO opportunities