Post by
Helloworld on Aug 03, 2023 12:15pm
Every Day I Look Smarter
With YGR now half of ATH every passing day I look smarter for swapping names.
Comment by
cfliesser on Aug 03, 2023 2:51pm
Good move, but might want to swap out. I think ATH is overvalued now. $40M in FCF a Q isn't that great with a market cap of $2.2B... Not bad at all, but I think its much closer to being fully valued vs. peers now.
Comment by
Helloworld on Aug 03, 2023 4:15pm
Unfortunately my post is in sarcasm. I sold ATH and bought and held YGR (obviously not a smart move) about a year and a half ago. Very costly mistake. YGR had been firmly ahead of ATH throughout all last year but this year seeing ATH rise 60% and YGR fall 35% is a nice kick.. every day the gap widens I keep thinking it has to close but here we are..
Comment by
kavern23 on Aug 03, 2023 4:41pm
ATH has 4m Free cashflow for the 6 months YTD. Happy for ATH shareholders to have made money here but reality hasnt changed. ATH needs really strong oil prices. OPEC withheld heavy barrels in Q2 and boosted WCS differentials. Great break for them.
Comment by
cfliesser on Aug 03, 2023 5:27pm
Q1 was rough but I think 40M FCF is doable for them. But 40M / 2.2B.... That's not great. They are > 10x YGR market cap... That would be like 4M FCF for YGR a quarter, come on doing much better than that....
Comment by
kavern23 on Aug 03, 2023 7:56pm
Thats why it is a big boy game in oil patch. Used to be a company called Delphi energy near ATH sold stuff. They ran into financial trouble as if you invest 35m on a small pad of say 4-6 wells and prices sink..your f*cked...unless you have company size. hard for new companies to get into montny for that reason...really need 100m plus of capital after you have land...maybe more.
Comment by
TheRexmember on Aug 03, 2023 8:06pm
Yeah Delphi took on too much for their financial strength. A few thousand barrels of Viking production would have gone a long way to offset the gas price collapses. Headwater had a great quarter. did a great job acquiring land cheaply too. Gotta say TVE paid top dollar compared to how headwater did - though I think they will have their day too.
Comment by
kavern23 on Aug 03, 2023 9:14pm
I like Surge Q2. Really turning company around getting out of drilling in Alberta where their plays cost lots of money. Competition in Sask is less and cheap wells, and tech is helping. Wells are shallow in Sask. Havent look in deep on financials though.
Comment by
Rational43 on Aug 04, 2023 2:47pm
If you like SGY than take a look at SOIL, which is much cheaper.
Comment by
pennydredful on Aug 04, 2023 7:47pm
not if you factor in their abandonment liabilities
Comment by
pennydredful on Aug 04, 2023 7:54pm
Paul Coborne ---love him or hate him he does more than any O.&G. CEO I know to promote the company and keep the street updated with current developments.
Comment by
TheRexmember on Aug 05, 2023 10:38am
Well if you never heard how great he is, just watch his Denver presentation. He tells you himself about 10 times.