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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum biOasis Technologies Ord Shs V.BTI.H

Alternate Symbol(s):  BIOAF

Bioasis Technologies Inc. is a Canada-based biopharmaceutical company focused on research and development of technologies and products intended for the treatment of patients with nervous system, including central nervous system, diseases and disorders. The Company is engaged in the development of its xB 3 platform, which is a peptide-based technology, for the transport of therapeutic agents, in... see more

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biOasis Technologies Ord Shs > Prothena and Management's Reporting
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Post by JDavenport on Sep 30, 2022 1:16pm

Prothena and Management's Reporting

I think shareholders ought to be careful in considerations of anything to do with Prothena. The Prothena share price is moving up primarily because of PRX012 and its similarity in MOA (method of action) to Eisai/Biogen's Lecanemab. But Prothena is a long way from meaningful clinical trial results from most of its pipeline. Edmund Ingham has posted an excellent piece on Seeking Alpha describing the Prothena situation.
 
But I must ask, should Bioasis shareholders care about Prothena? Does Bioasis have any relationship with Prothena? At all? Is Prothena doing anything with xB3? 
 
PRX012 predated Prothena's deal with Bioasis and therefore is almost certainly not an xB3 drug. The options period during which Prothena could choose two new xB3 targets expired on July 31, 2021, apparently with no options exercised. Neither Bioasis nor XOMA has booked any revenue from the exercise of these options. I believe the options expired with no action by Prothena.
 
Bioasis latest annual financial report references the original Prothena deal but nothing else. There is no mention of Prothena in the latest annual MD&A nor in the current QI MD&A. 
 
In the MD&A for the year ending February 28, 2021, Bioasis stated, "...Bioasis has continued to work with its existing partners Prothena Corporation plc, or Prothena, Chiesi Farmaceutici S.p.A., or Chiesi Group, and another leading pharmaceutical company to advance their partnered programs."
 
There is no such entry in current Bioasis filings. The annual MD&A filed on June 14, 2022 has replaced the above quote with "...Bioasis has continued to work with its existing partners to advance partnered programs." (Even "has continued" is past tense and may not mean that Bioasis continues with any partnered programs.) In my opinion, Bioasis is evading the Prothena issue and refuses to categorically state whether Prothena is doing anything with xB3 or not. 
 
There may also be a problem with the latest annual financial report. About the Prothena agreement, Bioasis states in Section 11 that, "Under the terms of the agreement, the Company received a non-refundable upfront payment of US$1 million and may receive up to an additional US$33 million in options exercises, regulatory and commercial milestone payments, plus low single digit additional royalties on net sales from the licensed products."
 
The problem arises with the statement in the same section that the option period expired on July 31, 2021. I don't believe that there is any way that Bioasis can state that the company "may receive up to an additional US$33 million in options exercises, regulatory and commercial milestone payments" if the option period has expired with no options being exercised. If there are no exercised option targets then it is false to state an expectation of anything like the $33 million anticipated by the original agreement. That potential for that revenue cannot exist if there is no longer an agreement.
 
If Prothena has not exercised any option targets then this must be either lazy editing of the Annual Report by Bioasis management, a failure to make the correct deduction about the effect of the option expiration, that the options were exercised with no revenue acquired from Prothena, or that Bioasis does not want to fully disclose the situation.
 
It also should be noted that Prothena does not appear anywhere in the current corporate presentation.
 
The best that can be said about the Prothena situation is that it is unclear, but I think it likely that Prothena has disappeared, completely.
 
I consider it bad or lazy behaviour of Bioasis management to mischaracterize or otherwise obfuscate the status of the Bioasis/Prothena agreement. And that, of course, raises questions about all of Bioasis's agreements, collaborations and partnerships. How many are really still active?
 
The prolific prophetoffactz is posting about Prothena. Clearly the Bioasis market doesn't care about Prothena, and I think for good reason.
 
Bioasis needs to clarify some stuff. If not then shareholders ought to get a leadership team in there that is capable or willing to do it.
 
jd
Comment by prophetoffactz on Sep 30, 2022 2:28pm
"Bioasis needs to clarify some stuff. If not then shareholders ought to get a leadership team in there that is capable or willing to do it." You can't wait and tell us after they've clarified because you may be competing with everyone else for shares. It's free. At least we know that Prothena has an xB3 liscense and the options were extended a number of times before ...more  
Comment by Sniper007 on Sep 30, 2022 2:58pm
JD wrote: I consider it bad or lazy behaviour of Bioasis management to mischaracterize or otherwise obfuscate the status of the Bioasis/Prothena agreement. And that, of course, raises questions about all of Bioasis's agreements, collaborations and partnerships. How many are really still active?   Bioasis needs to clarify some stuff. If not then shareholders ought to get a ...more  
Comment by JDavenport on Sep 30, 2022 10:12pm
Agree, Sniper007, except that Bioasis does not mention any partners or licensees on its website, at all. The only references are contained in other media such as videos, presentations and in filings.   This allows Bioasis to avoid being specific about anything.   There needs to be a push to get Bioasis to 'fess up about all of its dealings. There is a possibility that Bioasis ...more  
Comment by G1945V on Oct 01, 2022 6:20am
"In my opinion, Bioasis is getting dangerously close to being a company that regulators might want to investigate." JD, ... What's this all about?         Investigate, in what sense? G1945V
Comment by JDavenport on Oct 01, 2022 9:45am
Let me explain it a little differently, G1945V.   Prothena allowed its options for two more xB3 targets to expire. (We'll just ignore the fact that the original deal was for three option targets and that one of them just disappeared without explanation.) Bioasis no longer mentions Prothena in its MD&As or in its corporate presentations. In its annual financial report Bioasis ...more  
Comment by KayakerBC on Oct 01, 2022 10:34am
Meanwhile, if Bioasis is not fully reporting material events, circumstances and technology limitations, and is using language that purposefully obscures the status of Bioasis and xB3, would regulators be interested in that? Does the Prothena situation suggest deeper problems? Would more transparency be nice?  Sure.  But this is not uncommon with small biotechs.  They are more ...more  
Comment by JDavenport on Oct 01, 2022 10:57am
My objectivity? Give us your take on Prothena. Does xB3 work well enough to do business? Why are the deals so small? You can suggest whatever you want about my motives but it doesn't change the state that Bioasis is in. I'll have a lot more to say before the AGM. jd
Comment by JDavenport on Oct 01, 2022 11:10am
Here's a question for you. Has any licensee or partner ever made a milestone payment? Which prompts the question, has any partner or licensee ever reached a milestone? Chiesi, in over two years, has never reached a developmental milestone? None? If no partner or licensee has reached a milestone, have any given up trying to do so? So you can say that Bioasis obviously needs more time but how ...more  
Comment by KayakerBC on Oct 01, 2022 11:14am
Give us your take on Prothena. Does xB3 work well enough to do business? Why are the deals so small? You can suggest whatever you want about my motives but it doesn't change the state that Bioasis is in. You could have said all of that re Shire years ago. If a company chooses to move forward, we'll hear about it.  Otherwise, they just fade from mention in the docs.  I ...more  
Comment by JDavenport on Oct 01, 2022 11:58am
KBC, no milestone has ever been reported reached. At the very least, with all the relationships past and present, Bioasis should at least report on xB3 and whether any relationship "faded" away because of a problem with xB3.  That's not bashing. About regulators, if there are unreported problems with xB3 and if it is the cause of relationships "fading" away then that ...more  
Comment by KayakerBC on Oct 01, 2022 12:58pm
It's simple. Bioasis can give guidance on the capabilities of xB3 and on whether and when it expects an IND submission to be made by anybody. Oh Geez, C'mon.  Bioasis should state it EXPECTS an IND submission and WHEN? Puleeeeeeeze.  They would have to rely on what the pharma SAID they were going to do.  No company would EVER do that.  And if the submission didn't ...more  
Comment by JDavenport on Oct 01, 2022 1:10pm
Lol. Puleeeeeeeze?? Every single shareholder I talk to has expressed what I have posted here in the last 2 days. You can make excuses for Bioasis but these are real questions. But I have more that you won't so easily dismiss. jd
Comment by narmac on Oct 02, 2022 10:49am
My 2 cents,,,any PhDs I had an oprtunity to work with over the past years were sincere and interesting people,,,and I grew up beside one,,we have a load of these highly educated people involved and who are hands on with this company. I dont think they intend to embarrass themselves by pushing snake oil technology. Nor do I believe they intentionally mislead us in what the future could hold. When ...more  
Comment by prophetoffactz on Oct 02, 2022 11:34am
With BTI burning money. Oxyrayne burning money. Aposense burning money. 
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