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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum biOasis Technologies Ord Shs V.BTI.H

Alternate Symbol(s):  BIOAF

Bioasis Technologies Inc. is a Canada-based biopharmaceutical company focused on research and development of technologies and products intended for the treatment of patients with nervous system, including central nervous system, diseases and disorders. The Company is engaged in the development of its xB 3 platform, which is a peptide-based technology, for the transport of therapeutic agents, in... see more

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biOasis Technologies Ord Shs > Forcing Bioasis to Answer
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Post by Boomskid on Jan 16, 2023 12:57pm

Forcing Bioasis to Answer

As you know, I have not stated on here how I think people should vote. In fact, I have stated that unless the consequences of a "No" vote are known, it's dangerous to vote "No" because of the Lind foreclosure possibilities and the subsequent loss of Bioasis intellectual properties.

I could read the hundreds of pages in the dozens of documents that Bioasis has posted to SEDAR. I may even be able to correctly figure out what would happen with a "No" vote. But I can't and won't give legal advice or even express my opinion about this in public.

It's a question for Bioasis to answer. Bioasis management and Graeme at Colwell have a responsibility to answer, in full, the question about the consequences of voting "no."

My understanding is that when asked the question, GD's response is that "There is no Plan B."

That response is cavalier and meaningless. He should be ashamed of it. Using the analogy of chess, the king can be in check or can be checkmated. With a checkmate there is no Plan B. You've been beaten. If you're in check then you have moves that may or may not save you.

Bioasis shareholders need to know whether they've been checkmated, to be told whether a "No" vote will cause the certain loss of xB3 and all of Bioasis's IP to Lind. 

To say there is "no Plan B" can mean that there may be no Plan B but one could be formed and executed. Or "no Plan B" could mean that there is no possible Plan B that would save Bioasis from this deal.

Graeme needs to be given instructions by Bioasis on how to ACCURATELY answer all questions about the deal, including questions about Lind's rights, the payouts for cancelling the deal and other costs associated with exiting the deal.

Calls to and from Graeme and Zoom calls with Dr. Deborah Rathjen need to focus on the unequivocal answers to these questions and not on the obfuscation of "There is no Plan B."

Hold their feet to the fire in your calls to them!!

And remember, if you've already voted, you can change your vote if new and more complete information is available to you.

And it's not enough for Bioasis to say that everything you need to know is in the dozens of legal documents with hundreds of pages to be found on SEDAR and in other filings by Midatech and others. It might be legally enough, but hiding behind that law is not an expression of faithfulness to shareholders. 

jd
Comment by prophetoffactz on Jan 16, 2023 1:31pm
"My understanding is that when asked the question, GD's response is that "There is no Plan B."" I don't know what's been said but based on the company's public information it has looked to me like the Midatech deal was 'Plan B'. 'Plan A' was the Cresence deal to transform BTI into a clinical stage company and get on NASDAQ. This was supported by ...more  
Comment by Boomskid on Jan 16, 2023 1:49pm
Cresence was Plan B?!!!??? The Cresence people got 6 million shares or so. Those shares are now worth about $250,000. They aren't Plan B and they never were Plan B. In my opinion, they were likely part of a storyboard developed to promote this sellout. I don't think that LT and The Placee bought Midatech and Bioasis for the Cresence stuff. It's about xB3. Even Stephen Stamp of ...more  
Comment by prophetoffactz on Jan 16, 2023 2:21pm
"Cresence was Plan B?!!!??? The Cresence people got 6 million shares or so. Those shares are now worth about $250,000. They aren't Plan B and they never were Plan B. In my opinion, they were likely part of a storyboard developed to promote this sellout." I said Cresence appears to have been 'Plan A' with the J&J and Neuramedy deals. Marketing BTI as a Phase II ...more  
Comment by Boomskid on Jan 16, 2023 3:43pm
Oh, Cresence is plan A. I misunderstood. Along with a J&J deal that we know nothing about and a Neuramedy that was another "four bats and a bag of balls" deal, Cresence is/was "Plan A." You do understand, poof, I'm sure, that if xB3 can make losers like the Cresence and Neuramedy stuff into winners that xB3 can also be used for: Brain tumours MS PD ...more  
Comment by prophetoffactz on Jan 16, 2023 4:16pm
"Do you think that the Ellipses leak signalled that deals that would have been transformational for Bioasis and would have provided validation of the xB3 platform by leveraging the synergy between Bioasis and each of its partners would have helped to calalyze a financial and corporate renaissance for Bioasis?" The only time I've seen Ellipses is what you've posted. I have no ...more  
Comment by Boomskid on Jan 16, 2023 4:43pm
So, poof, have you considered the possibility that there are two or more xB3 deals that could be done with Ellipses? xB3-001 is one, obviously. That one deals with HER2+ but not other HER2 (triple neg, for instance) types of breast cancer and metastases. The Ellipses/SunRock drug, EP0017, is also a likely candidate for transport across the BBB. It's a fusion protein targeting HER3 (and DR ...more  
Comment by prophetoffactz on Jan 16, 2023 4:55pm
"Your may be making the case for even more Bioasis business with Ellipses, not less business." What could a strategic alliance in cancer look like between Biodexa and Ellipses or another company? Just like BTI has an alliance for Lysosomal Storage Disorders with a single company(ie., Chiesi) it could have a strategic alliance with a single company in cancer. Dealing with a single ...more  
Comment by Boomskid on Jan 16, 2023 5:10pm
A strategic alliance between Biodexa and Ellipses would mean that 94% of the benefits of such deals would go to people and companies other than to Bioasis and its shareholders. Is that lost on you, poof? Bioasis had a presentation detailing a deal with Ellipses. What was that? Where did that go? It stinks to its very core, poof. jd
Comment by emmitfitzhume on Jan 16, 2023 6:06pm
5 weeks ago, BTI was about a 12.4 million Canadian market cap company, now it is a 3.4 million Canadian market cap company, that’s a 27% drop from its former value on the announcement of this deal.  According to the terms of this deal, we will then own six percent of this new company, of which BTI assets are valued at just 3.4 million dollars as of close of market today.  As this simple ...more  
Comment by prophetoffactz on Jan 16, 2023 6:13pm
"A strategic alliance between Biodexa and Ellipses would mean that 94% of the benefits of such deals would go to people and companies other than to Bioasis and its shareholders. Is that lost on you, poof?" We've went over that.  Midatech holders(including outstanding Midatech warrants) get ~10% of the fully diluted company. BTI shareholders(including outstanding BTI warrants ...more  
Comment by Boomskid on Jan 16, 2023 6:30pm
poof says, "To me this looks like a takeover of Midatech by Bioasis." I can't help but imagine that even poof was giggling after he wrote that line. He is capable of sufficient hubris.to think he could get away with it. I guess it's a time when a good laugh is a good thing. Ha ha. Ha jd
Comment by prophetoffactz on Jan 16, 2023 6:44pm
I don't know if you are a socilist or not, jd; but don't you think like one? You talk about BTI getting 6% of the deal and don't want to count BTI's outstandng warrants, the bridge loan to BTI, the Lind obligations. You seem to want Ladenberg Thalmann to work for free and not count them as an obligation. The markets have been very difficut, a historic bear market, and you seem to ...more  
Comment by Boomskid on Jan 16, 2023 7:18pm
About the warrants that you say I don't want to talk about, poof, maybe I missed something but why would anybody exercise a warrant at a price any higher than 4.5¢? Or 3.3¢ if you consider the MTP share price? Those warrants range in exercise price from 20¢ to 67¢. Would you explain to the warrant holders why they should exercise them when they're 20,000 leagues under ...more  
Comment by emmitfitzhume on Jan 16, 2023 6:41pm
And before anyone highlights to me the benefits we are receiving as a Biodexa shareholder, yeah, it is not lost on me that we will be getting Midatech assets.  And I’m sure they have a swell pipeline with wonderful assets, but they are already a Nasdaq listed company and as broke or more broke than we are.  This whole concept of combing two wrongs to make a right seems rather clown ...more  
Comment by prophetoffactz on Jan 16, 2023 7:05pm
"And before anyone highlights to me the benefits we are receiving as a Biodexa shareholder, yeah, it is not lost on me that we will be getting Midatech assets." I think you really do have to look at the upside of the deal to make sense of the deal. There are two companies with shareholders unfamiliar with each companies assets and that can lead to serious problems. The dilution is easy ...more  
Comment by emmitfitzhume on Jan 16, 2023 8:08pm
1.62 % of any future XB3 success compared to our share 5 weeks ago. that is all that is left for Bioasis shareholders in the new structure. Show me where am I wrong in this analysis POF?
Comment by prophetoffactz on Jan 16, 2023 8:27pm
I've done the best that I can. With all obligations settled Midatech and BTI get 33% of the upside of Biodexa as below. The company will hopefully be viable with a cash runaway to key catalysts. Midatech's assets from glioblastoma to Q-Sphera have been in human trials and are therefore de-risked to a degree. xB3 may be two years from a clinical trial. Preclinical assets are generally much ...more  
Comment by Boomskid on Jan 16, 2023 8:38pm
Magic math, poof. How can shareholders with 6% of the company get 33% of the upside? Again, what is it about 3.3¢ per share that is excaping you? What is it about LT and The Placee with over 75% of the company that is escaping you? You can do yer number doodling all you want but investors on AIM, NASDAQ and TSXV are saying you're full of it. That's not me. That's the market ...more  
Comment by emmitfitzhume on Jan 16, 2023 8:40pm
So you contend that 1.62% of future XB3 success compared to where we were 5 weeks ago is an acceptable term for current shareholders? I think that a more equitable deal could have been explored. Or, XB3 simply doesn’t work.  That is the only scenario in which such a deal makes sense. Seems rather clear to me.
Comment by prophetoffactz on Jan 16, 2023 8:49pm
BTI and Midatech holders received 33% of the upside of Biodexa, as outlined, and that appears reasonable under the very difficult circumstances. There has been significant improvement in stocks since the deal was put together. Midatech's CEO said he could have put together an alternative financial package. Perhaps the second warrant could be eliminated; but the financing needs to be priced to ...more  
Comment by emmitfitzhume on Jan 16, 2023 9:47pm
POF Just for perspective, a 780 million dollar private placement done at our prior valuation or 13 million would dilute us down to about 1.6%, that’s the percentage shareholders will have in any future success of xb3 in this new structure.  Can we not call that crippling dilution?  Could there have been no other options which would respect current shareholders, potentially at the cost ...more  
Comment by Boomskid on Jan 16, 2023 8:50pm
emmit, excellent post. Your earlier calculation was a good reflection of reality. It's a little different than saying that Bioasis is acquiring Midatech and shereholders will get 33% of the upside. If I could give you a few hundred of poof's thumbs, I would. jd
Comment by narmac on Jan 16, 2023 3:44pm
There is always a Plan B and a pPan C,,,dont kid yourself,,,,these deal makers know exactly what they want to do if the vote is a favourable "NO". Hahahahahahaaha,,, ,,They will come out guns ablazing to take our IP,,,, but they will be confronted with a shareholder take over. Perhaps we could negotiate Mark Day back in the saddle. Pick our own board. Downsize,, raise the $$ for Linds ...more  
Comment by fuzzyjr on Jan 16, 2023 4:31pm
" we could negotiate Mark Day back in the saddle" What??? you'd prob hav jd as a consultant too eh - I already know your answer - u guys must have some new bird flew , right out of the koo 's nest.  if I knew any part of this including the rest of your plan is the plan b being considered or comes into play & soon I'd sell everything immediately. Like ...more  
Comment by beenthere on Jan 16, 2023 6:19pm
" Mark Day" ? You talking about the guy with that "bright idea" to move to the US and pay all our expenses with those tiny Can dollars  AND not gaining a darn thing in the process? Thank you but no thank you! NO!
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