Tudor Gold Corp V.TUD

ITG account ripping down End of Day Again!

[TeckPro]

Like isn't it strange that they rip it down every day and always get the LOW at 3:59pm????

Totally Manipulated! I'm just saving my screenshots and pdf'ing everything daily. 

EOM.

[Jetstream1281]

That's the biggest reason I'm not worried....I'm sure it's manipulation and it will come back. Nothing's changed....other than we're heading towards a PEA and more than likely a lot more high grade. It makes no sense for it to be dropping like this for any other reason.

[Larry60]

when youre hitting new lows everday, you tend to close around the lows!!!!!!! The last 1/2 of last week we closed at/near highs for the days........which left us with no change.

[fordster]

It's called "being totally manipulated" ...and your not going to change any of our minds

[Larry60]

what would be the point of "manipulating" a stock tightly controlled by Eric and Walters estate????? Who would want to do that????  Rudy?  Santa Clause?  Pink Panther????  

[Jetstream1281]

If it was legitimate, AMK would be getting hit just as hard...TUO as well but to a lesser extent as they are buffered by their other holdings.....that's not happening though.....

[Larry60]

Jetstream, You ignor 2 major points that I have talked about ad nauseum: 1)  Tudor is going to have to keep issuing shares to fund 100% of TC to a productiopn decision.  THat number could be $100 million, $150 million, $300 million????  What will it be?  WHo knows, but it will be a massive amount for TUD.  Constant pressure on TUD as a result of this.  But NOT on

[fordster]

The sky is falling

[Larry60]

sky not falling.  but we are bid 82 cents.

[Larry60]

quarterly fs should be out in a week or 2?  Will be intersting to see what, if anything, they sold in the last 6 weeks of the quarter under the ATM.

[Larry60]

scratch that.  March 31 is year end so wont see anything until the summer.  Dang.

[Jetstream1281]

The new rules only actually require an annual update on ATMs, not a quarterly one.

[Larry60]

correct, but you would still be able to see how much they raised in the financials e.g. in statement in of changes in financial position, in owners equity, etc.   They may not detail it all, but you could estimate # of shares and average price pretty easily (shares you should be able to have exact)

[Larry60]

PS Given thats its May already, Id just like an update on drilling plans for 2024 given that there is probably no more than $6M in the till?  Maybe 7 if they got some refunds???

[Larry60]

Exactly Jetstream.  Exactly. AMK and TUO remain very strong relative buys.   relative values will change drastically in coming years due to i) TUD diluting itslef, and ii) the market realizng that AMK/TUO are way undervalued on a relative basis to TUD valuation. I still want, and need, TUD to go up!!!!  We're all on the same team.  But its a fact amk/tuo will

[Jetstream1281]

I'll have to do the math again to see how the three sit relative to each other... My point is that TC (all three) are MASSIVELY undervalued....amk should be sitting between 30-40 cents as we speak.... A legitimate equalization would bring them up, not TUD down.....unfortunately on this market, which STILL hasn't taken off in general, it's much easier to move TUD down than the other

[Larry60]

JS, youre staring reality right in the face and then covering your eyes. THe relative value should be the main concern in the short term.  Sure, in the long term everyone thnks  TC will finally have its value recognized....and we all hope it will.  But to drone on about TUDs dismal performance in recent years, and more specifically since gold took off like a rocket from $1800 is

[Jetstream1281]

Where do you get .90 for TUD though???? What I'm saying is that AMK right now is valued at $11-12/oz.....ridiculously low....the lower threshold of what we can expect is about $30/oz which would value us closer to .40  The only thing the relative price tells you is which one is currently the better buy.....They are ALL undervalued massively, and should be giong up not down....but it'

[Jetstream1281]

I also just did the math and TUD is actually valued LOWER than AMK currently..... AMK at 0.15 is about $11.40/oz TUD at 0.83 is valued at $11.00/oz TUO currently valued at $13.75/oz (just TC value...nothing else factored in) 

[Jetstream1281]

So basically all being equal, TUD is actually the best buy at the moment.....

[Jetstream1281]

Basically all I'm doing is Shares out X current SP / (0.2, 0.6, 0.2 ) x 29 million oz to arrive at that value....using 29 million oz determines what they SHOULD be worth but to get a relative view any number at all will work....

[Larry60]

Use simple principals per my post JS.  TUD owns 60% and AMK owns 20%.  THerefore AMK should trade at 1/3 of TUD market cap or, vice versa, TUD should trade at 3x AMKs mkt cap. When you factor in the free carry though, AMK is severly undervalued even more.  TUDs gonna have to issue, likely, well over a hundred million shares to move things forward to a decision.

[Jetstream1281]

You are skewing your numbers by usingbthr public float vs outstanding shares....if you use outstanding shares, TUD market cap is slightly less than 3x that of AMK indicating that it is undervalued....those shares held by Walter, etc are worth every but as much as the shares we hold....

[Larry60]

What shares O/S do you have? One error I made is not counting all the in the money options

[Jetstream1281]

442.8 million Amk and 232.25 million TUD

[Jetstream1281]

I just grabbed the numbers off this site....

[Jetstream1281]

Amk MK is 66.4 million....3 times that is just over 199 million for TUD.... but it's sitting at just under 193 million....relatively undervalued based off of today's numbers...

[Jetstream1281]

Sorry....MK should be Market Cap.

[Jetstream1281]

You watch.....whoever is smacking this down is going to push HARD with what gold is doing.....this could get REALLY ugly for TUD in a hurry.....my buy last week is really not looking good lol!!!! Good thing it was just a small one...

[Larry60]

Wrong.  TUD is overvalued vs AMK withOUT factoring in they have to fund 100% of cost to production decision.  If you factor that in, TUD is incredibly overvalued on a relative basis.  And on a fully diluted basis, even worse with the millions of TUD warrants out ther. See my post with the basic math.

[Larry60]

JS, THe 90 cents was just market price at the time. If we IGNORE the FREE carry, TUD should be worth 3 times what AMK is (60% vs 20%) At current market prices, AMK should be trading at 16.17 cents.  If you factor in free carry, then over 20 cents easy Ratio   O/S mkt price Market cap Implied Value

[cskhurasu]

Larry60, do you feel you are talking to a brick wall. I think I may be the only one listening.  Losers always blame shorts. But your reasoning makes sense. TUD is overpriced. And the deal structure is becoming more important by the day. 

[fordster]

Good ol CSK!...hey you want me to send you a few posts? BTW...ANY info coming from you, why yes...it's like hitting a brick wall.  Some informative post: thnx JS and RP

[fordster]

Ask these guys responsible for the high percentage of shorting trades...funny: you have documented proof on a daily basis and you STILL pretend that we're the crazies. We know your role here. .https://www.otcshortreport.com/company/TDRRF So there's technical reports for the percentage of Dailey shorts...there's Savecandaianminers stating this is a malignant problem...there are

[TeckPro]

I Repeat once again. At close 3:59pm an ITG account gets it down 1 cent to 0.68 cents!?!? This is what is shameful!!!! 

[Jetstream1281]

Is it ITG? I'm seeing CIBC as the seller and ITG as the buyer....

[TeckPro]

Correct but ITG is never the seller... Not once.  But they always get the low / last transaction literally 95% and almost every day.  The amount of shares that they have purchased year after year they should own TUD? 

[TeckPro]

Strange that no one has answered my concerns.  ITG account just pushed it down again by 1 cent,  this is called investing? Or just pure Manipulation? Like I said how is it that ITG never sells any shares???? 

[karlschranz]

Last month ITG was a clear buyer with roundabout 10% of volume......

[TeckPro]

Post proof.... I've tracked this for over 2 years and never seen buying once. Plus where can we see transparency of BUY % VS SELL %???? 

[Larry60]

Teckpro, your unsubtantiated conspiracy theories are WRONG!  Kawwwllll is RIGHT on this point.........the real issue is THERE IS NOT ENOUGH INTEREST ON THE BUY SIDE FOR TUD!!!!!!!!!!!!   House Positions for C:TUD from 20240703 to 20240802 House Bought $Val Ave Sold $Val Ave Net $Net

[TeckPro]

Yeah... Who are the NAMES of the DAILY buyers and sellers???? ZERO TRANSPARENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is NOT INVESTING!!!!!!!! 

[Jetstream1281]

Teckpro I'm not following your train of thought......yesterday you said ITG is never the seller....now you're saying you've never seen them buy.....I'm confused.....

[Jetstream1281]

Also, you can't push it down by buying....only by selling

[TeckPro]

Yes by using numerous trading accounts to manipulate the stock. JS... Are you saying that there's NO manipulation in the Stock Market??? Just want to clarify your stance. 

[Jetstream1281]

No I do believe the stock is being manipulated....but it's the lack of volume that allows it to happen....if anyone doesn't want to see it go to 67 or thinks it's a good deal there, all they gave to do is buy 68.....but nobody is....

[TeckPro]

I want to BUY but I have NO CASH due to the horrible economy thanks to these 2 usless parties in power. I'm working on it.... And many are in the same predicament... The huge increase in interest rates have screwed many investors. I was paying $350 monthly now $1600 thanks to tge BOC.

[Jetstream1281]

I'm also tapped out.....and I'll never be a big enough buyer to provide material support anyway....

[Larry60]

JS, dont beat yourself up,  THe Cunninshams may have fooled you the last couple of months.............but a good chance that you have more financial resources than they do to cloes the deal!!!  

[Larry60]

JS, just a thought:  why dont you sell all your amk at 18.5 cents while ya can and swap into TUD at 67 cents???  Or TUO at $1..........a no brainer imho.......

[karlschranz]

If you are client from a brokerhouse you can get the monthly report......there you can find every information 

[CobraShelby]

they do the same thing also with AMK often. 500 or 1000 share just enougn to drop it on venture of course  Time ET Ex Price Change Volume Buyer Seller Markers 15:59:59 V 0.68 -0.03 1,000 84 ITG84 79 CIBC K V:TUD - Tudor Gold Corp. - 

[TeckPro]

ITG... always the BUY with a measly 500 shares @ 3:59pm  EOD pushes it down to 66 cents.... Who is behind this????  CRIMINAL! 

[Larry60]

teckpro, ya should be happy....it bounced off of 65 cents!!!!!!!!! Recent Trades - Last 10 of 65 More trades... Time ET Ex Price Change Volume Buyer Seller Markers 15:59:59 V 0.66 -0.02 500 84 ITG84 79 CIBC K 15

[karlschranz]

But you know that Vwap was 0,68

[Larry60]

Kawwlllll, 18,000 shares trades on the TSXV at 68 cent (round up) vwap. 70,000 shares traded on the other CDN ATSs with a vwap under 67....... usuallly, a stock in a downward trend will close below its vwap............and vice versa for a stock on an upward trend.

[Larry60]

Kawwwwlll, I looked at the vwap for the full 77,000 shares - 66.79 cents! If you look at all the trades that took place 11am or later, it was 66.17 cents (55,000 shares) But you knew that, rigt??

[karlschranz]

Lassie60, you must know it better - of course

[Larry60]

Kawwwlllll,, Just statin facts my friend............wouldnt want the sheep  to misled by your bad info.   Pull the data.  Thats the vwap. Its time to hold da powers that be accountable...........As much as I luv TC, losing money almost every week on TC, with exception of sellin amk in the 20s when it doubled overnight, is juts not acceptable........ look at the 3 year chart