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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Urbanimmersive Inc V.UI

Alternate Symbol(s):  UBMRF

Urbanimmersive Inc. is a Canada-based company, which develops and markets real estate photography technologies and services. The Company is engaged in developing and commercializing immersive, which is a software as a service (SaaS) platform offering immersive marketing solutions, three-dimensional (3D) photographic equipment and photography services to professional photographers. Its segments... see more

TSXV:UI - Post Discussion

Urbanimmersive Inc > UI's share price
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Post by laurencelefou on Jan 28, 2022 12:31pm

UI's share price

Revenue growth
 
Finding new clients (real estate agents) and adding new photographers and not losing any, is the key to growth.
 
Revenue growth is also dependent on the number of properties listed for sale.  UI has no control on the number of listings.
 
For 2022 and 2023, if the newly acquired REPAs grow their revenues, that growth will not be entirely reflected in an increase in valuation, since UI will issue shares as part of the acquisition package.
 
Software growth is more difficult to predict, but software revenues represent approximately 25% of UI's business.
 
Net margins

At this point in time, there is not enough information to estimate the net margins for software revenues and for revenues from photo agencies.  UI's debt level has increased and is probably in the $3,500,000 range.  There are integration costs and uncertainties.  Investors do not know how photographers have reacted to the change of ownership or how profitable those businesses are.
 
So here are three scenarios with different net margins. 
 
Software revenues are based on 2021 FY results multiplied by 1.15 and the net margin used is 20%.
 
Immersolution revenues were estimated based on 2021 FY results multiplied by 1.05 and the net margin used is 10%.
 
Photo agency revenues were estimated based on reported revenues multiplied by 0.95 and the net margin used is 20%.
 
    Calendar year 2022
    12 month period Net margins
Software 26% $3,078,000 $615,600
Immersolution 9% $1,112,000 $111,200
Photo agencies 65% $7,665,000 $1,531,000
Revenue   $11,845,000 $2,258,000
 
 
Net margins                       $2,258,000
Cap rate yield                           7%
Market cap                        $32,255,000
Number of shares               33,184,000
Share price                         $0.97
 
Software revenues are based on 2021 FY results multiplied by 1.15 and the net margin used is 15%.
 
Immersolution revenues were estimated based on 2021 FY results multiplied by 1.05 and the net margin used is 10%.
 
Photo agency revenues were estimated based on reported revenues multiplied by 0.95 and the net margin used is 15%.
 
    Calendar year 2022
    12 month period Net margins
Software 26% $3,078,000  $461,700
Immersolution 9% $1,112,000  $111,200
Photo agencies 65% $7,655,000 $1,148,250
Revenue   $11,845,000 $1,721,150
 
Net margins                       $1,721,000
Cap rate yield                           7%
Market cap                        $24,600,000
Number of shares               33,184,000
Share price                         $0.74
 
Software revenues are based on 2021 FY results multiplied by 1.15 and the net margin used is 15%.
 
Immersolution revenues were estimated based on 2021 FY results multiplied by 1.05 and the net margin used is 10%.
 
Photo agency revenues were estimated based on reported revenues multiplied by 0.95 and the net margin used is 10%.
 
    Calendar year 2022
    12 month period Net margins
Software 26% $3,078,000 $461,700
Immersolution 9% $1,660,000 $111,200
Photo agencies 65% $8,461,000 $765,500
Revenue   $11,845,000 $1,338,400
 
Net margins                       $1,340,000
Cap rate yield                            7%
Market cap                        $19,120,000
Number of shares               33,184,000
Share price                         $0.58
 
What is known is that UI's debt payments have increased, new listings are still near their lows and real estate photo industry is a competitive and a seasonal business.  65% of UI's business is tied to real estate photo agencies and 9% to hardware sales.  That type of activity does not deserve a high cap rate yield.
Comment by kaykay22222 on Jan 28, 2022 1:58pm
It's nice that you try to value the company like a Coca-Cola, but all of us are invested, because we wait for the company to scale exponentially in the SaaS space. Just look how the company just changed in 2021. That's why I think your static calculation is useless, also we are currently closer to around 38m shares.
Comment by prophetoffacts on Jan 28, 2022 3:14pm
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Comment by laurencelefou on Jan 29, 2022 9:27am
I stand corrected.  Here's the outstanding share count derived from the FY financials and news release.  If there is an error in the share count, please point it out.     # of shares 2019-09-30 Number of shares 14,821,143 2020-09-30 Number of shares 17,599,785  ...more  
Comment by Torontojay on Jan 29, 2022 12:10pm
Hi Laurence I agree with your numbers. I think your choice of a 7% cap yield could be challenged as this should change to reflect changes in interest rates/inflation etc. A lower interest rate environment deserves a higher PE ratio.  We know Urbanimmersive purchased Repa's with a 13-15 times PE multiple given that they acquired them at 2 times sales and with a 15% margin.  2/0 ...more  
Comment by kaykay22222 on Jan 29, 2022 3:30pm
What's the PE ratio of MTTR? Lol - it still got $2.21Bn - should be valued at zero according to your calculations, right? Net Profit was -$167M in Q3-2021. MTTR is UI's only peer. I wouldn't value UI based on net profit.
Comment by Torontojay on Jan 29, 2022 3:48pm
  People have forgotten about the fundamentals during the post pandemic bull run. Valuations became stretched and people assigned random price to sales/ PE multiples and they justified them because the stock was going up. What could go wrong? Im always reminded that fundamentals never go out of style. One should never ignore price to book, price to sales, price to cash flow when deciding ...more  
Comment by kaykay22222 on Jan 29, 2022 4:00pm
I completely agree with focusing on fundamentals @torontojay, but P/E is out-of-favor for growth stocks (it fits a Coca-Cola with maybe 3-6% growth) I would rather go here for forward P/S, maybe PEG ratio and Rule-of-40 (Revenue growth + FCF Margin = 40%)
Comment by Torontojay on Jan 29, 2022 6:05pm
What growth? The company didn't grow in the past year or the year before. It has a lot to prove. The PEG ratio would be ideal if the company showed growth but unfortunately they have not. I wouldn't use the PEG ratio for urbanimmersive.  So we are left with a cash flow analysis. The theoretical value of a company has always been the summation of its discounted free cash flows. If ...more  
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