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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Western Wind Energy Corp V.WND

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Western Wind Energy Corp > Why the price is what it is
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Post by agrossfarm on Jan 23, 2013 12:25pm

Why the price is what it is

Last night, I was talking to a ex-Hedge Fund Manager who also had an earlier career on the floor of an active exchange. I asked him what price he expected WND would be available at, today.

He said somewhere under $2.50. Manybe 2.40

I can see from the posts here that this not only gets a lot of you angry, but you are surprised and think it is illogical. If you are logical you are thinking:

Before: an official offer of $2.50 and take a hike

After: an offer of $2.50 and we get to keep Yabucoa.

But to a profession and to skeptical investors that is NOT the After. instead:

After: an official offer of $2.50 and take a hike... but maybe $2.50 without Yabucoa because Brookfield doesn' t want it.

There is no new official offer. Read the PR

https://tmx.quotemedia.com/article.php?newsid=57425222&qm_symbol=WND

There is a slightly better tentative offer that may or may not become official.

The Pros who own this stock, for the arb, are interested in how much cash they are going to get, how long they have to wait, and what risks there are that could reduce the cash to be received.

A "permitted bid" according to the WND poison pill is one that provides 60 days for the shareholders to make up their mind. That makes the $2.50 to be received in 2 months+ to be worth less than $2.50. Unless there is another OFFICIAL offer, from Brookfield or someone else, it is still $2.50 in cash.

But you get your money NOW if you sell in the Market, so they are still selling. You may get your money if you tender to the Official Offer but there are big doubts in that because WND's appeal to the OSC may preclude Brookfield from taking up any of the tendered shares.

If the tentative offer becomes officia, you get 2.50 in a couple of month and perhaps you get something for Yab, but that is not yet a sure thing.

For those assuming that the new tentative deal is real, or will be soon, we are faced with estimating the risk-adjusted value of Yabucoa, today. We don't know what WNDs plans would be and some of you are even speculating that Jeff will keep his job and run Yabucoa. That would be a logical possibility until/unless we see an official WND PR saying Yabucoa, if not bought by Brookfield, will be sold to someone else, for the best price possible, after financial close.

Unless there are details about what it will take to get to financial close and how long it will take, the pros will discount the value, severely and discount the value of the deal for how long it will take to get the actual cash in hand. They will assume it is worth pennies.

BTW, I tend to agree with REDUCE (for a big change) that Yabucoa could be worth as much as $1.50 per share of WND, although I don't have hard enough data on that to be confident. If WND released recent data or cited comparable sales of solar farms at financial close in order to substantiate a high price, chances are the share price would climb, at least once the new tentative approach becomes an official offer.

I am sure that Jeff and the rest at WND and Rothschild are busy today trying to get an official offer to sell all of WND assets, either in pieces as a whole. I believe that Jeff and the Directors will do what they can to get shareholders the higher price for all the assets. That's why I bought more shares yesterday. But I think it is a good idea for WND to reiterate this position and say that Yabucia will be sold, not operated.

There needs to be more public information about Yabucoa value available and anOffici improved Officialoffer for the share price to move up significantly and stay there. It would seem wise to release the Rothschild tire-kickers from their standstill agreements and let them make public offers at this point, given that Brookfield is doing it. I would not be surprised if all this was in progress now, as I write, because Jeff and his people have been running around doing whatever is needed to scate up a better deal. .

Comment by bakken13 on Jan 23, 2013 1:05pm
But for those who have a higher tolerance for risk, that is the retail investor, this is a great opportunity to buy relatively inexpensive shares. We probably have a far better understanding of the situation than any fund manager, unless he is privy to psuedo-insider information. Hedge funds would not have been holding this for the years it has taken to develop. i wouldn't doubt that we get ...more  
Comment by agrossfarm on Jan 23, 2013 1:39pm
You are probably correct, Bakken. Few pros are interested in development companies, especially these days. Whether it is mine exploration or pure renewables development, the Hedge Funds are absent until there is some predictable gain involved and a limited amount of time. Risk Arbs are the ones willing to place a bet because the probabilities are in their favor, as they are here, which is why I ...more  
Comment by Nakate on Jan 23, 2013 1:41pm
the arbitrageurs'  are playing the facts and the stats hence the current share price.  Brookfeild has shown the willingness to negotiate for what it really wants, the Cali assets, this opens the door again for something better for us shareholders but once again we are thrown back into the  blind pit of not knowing when or if anything will ever happen. 
Comment by Nakate on Jan 23, 2013 2:04pm
Weird though because the Brookfield offer is still on the table if anyone wants to tender,  all that has changed is management has decided to recommend rejection of the bid due to an unofficial change of the  terms of the current offer.  This means the offer to purchase has been raised by Brookfield by a factor of Yabacua (X) which definitely has a value greater than 2 ...more  
Comment by mlpowell on Jan 23, 2013 2:09pm
the price is what it is because as of now we have no idea what a fair offer should be we all know once you have a project in operation and creating cash flow there can be a value placed on this wnd has 3 of these and we know that with tax credits being extended that that the value is much more then the cost to build them but what we dont know from pros what is a fair price or offer for these ...more  
Comment by Nakate on Jan 23, 2013 2:19pm
Brookfield does and so far they are low balling the bid taking out Yabacuo is a 15 -20 % boost to the bid price in terms of mw produced and portion of the company
Comment by cutthebcbud on Jan 23, 2013 6:55pm
The valuation of WND was net equity value of $5.63 per share NET of debt.  Repeat NET EQUITY value of WND's equity interest in its project net of all debt
Comment by Probability on Jan 23, 2013 7:12pm
In my early 30's I could deadlift 600lbs natural . I can only do 405lbs now and it hurts :  ( Times change and my reality is I can only deadlift 405lbs now  WND will have an offer