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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Victoria Gold Corp VITFF

Victoria Gold Corp. is a gold mining company. The Company’s flagship asset is its 100% owned Dublin Gulch property, which hosts the Eagle, Olive and Raven gold deposits along with numerous targets along the Potato Hills Trend including Nugget, Lynx and Rex Peso. Dublin Gulch is situated in the central Yukon, Canada, approximately 375 kilometers (km) north of the capital city of Whitehorse. The... see more

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Victoria Gold Corp > VGCX - Retained Earnings $113 Million
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Post by HoneyBadger77 on Jul 22, 2024 1:00pm

VGCX - Retained Earnings $113 Million

So why have no VG insiders sold a single share since June 24th?  Why did GMT Capital, their largest shareholder sell only 1.8 million of their VG holdings and retain 5.2 million shares?   And how is VG still operating when according to Singola58 their cash burn is massive and the company should be bankrupt by now?

My previous posts, in particular the Retained Earnings comments didn't received a single comment and just blended in with seemingly little notice.  

TSX:VGCX Forum Post | HoneyBadger77-36122262 | RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:NOT GOOD! | Victoria Gold Corp (stockhouse.com)

TSX:VGCX Forum Post | HoneyBadger77-36122248 | RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:NOT GOOD! | Victoria Gold Corp (stockhouse.com)

So how much capital does VG have access to and can they avoid declaring bankruptcy?  Well by my calculations they have access to ~ $200 million CAD as follows:
  • ~ $40 million cash as of June 24th,
  • ~ $113 million in Retained Earnings
  • ~ $50 to 70 million in held back revenue from Q2 production and gold sales
It's interesting that according to this BDC (Business Development Corporation) Canada link, retained earnings are considered equity and that  "Banks will generally lend about three or four times what the company has in terms of equity, a major component of which is retained earnings."

"Retained earnings are the amount of profit a company has left over after paying all its direct costs, indirect costs, income taxes and its dividends to shareholders. This represents the portion of the company’s equity that can be used, for instance, to invest in new equipment, R&D, and marketing."


What are retained earnings? | BDC.ca

My guess is if all the company insiders, their largest shareholder GMT Capital, and all their lenders all believed this company going bankrupt is imminent, then this stock would already be at zero.  The only reason they're all still here is because just like us longs, they currently don't have enough info yet to know exactly what happened and who is most liable and are no doubt awaiting more info on the degree and extent of environmental damage, how successful remediation efforts are, and what these two factors are going to cost.

 We are now into week 5 of this debacle and retail shareholders are still left largely relying on the media for their information.so it's no surprise the shareprice continues to drift lower (being manipulated lower).   By my calculations, VG has access to plenty of cash yet to pay down the $11 million in debt that was due on June 30th that they've intentionally defaulted on and will continue to hold off the wolves while they continue work to remedy this mess.  I suspect that once some serious progress is seen to be made that all the players YGT, EMR, FNs and the Company will all stop pointing fingers at each other and see the value in working together to resolve this as soon as possible.  They all have a vested interest in seeing a positive outcome in all this and the sooner they al realize this the better for all concerned.  By now investigators have to have a pretty good idea what caused this and so does the company and if VG management were certain that they were negligent and therefore solely liable, they would have already declared bankruptcy.

My opinion only, please DYODD.

HB77
Comment by HuskySW on Jul 22, 2024 1:16pm
badger, Thank you " We are now into week 5 of this debacle and retail shareholders are still left largely relying on the media for their information.so it's no surprise the shareprice continues to drift lower (being manipulated lower)." Well said. "My guess is if all the company insiders, their largest shareholder GMT Capital, and all their lenders all believed this company ...more  
Comment by givemeabreak1 on Jul 22, 2024 3:59pm
HoneyBadger? I am not sure what number of shares GMT has as the 13F filings are often a trailing number so clarity may come at the end of the month!  
Comment by HoneyBadger77 on Jul 22, 2024 4:26pm
From SEDAR filing on July 09, 2024: "Since the last report filed by GMT under Part 4 in respect of Victoria Gold: (i) the number of Common Shares held by managed accounts of GMT has decreased by 1,808,600 Common Shares; and (ii) the percentage of the issued and outstanding Common Shares held by managed accounts of GMT has decreased by approximately 2.85%." "As at June 30, 2024 ...more  
Comment by saddlerack on Jul 22, 2024 5:09pm
Interesting.  Ink Research which documents insider activity doesn't show GMT but does indicate that Orion Mine Finance Management still holds all of their 20,000,000+ shares.  The shares held by Orion represent just under 33% of the total float.
Comment by HoneyBadger77 on Jul 22, 2024 5:30pm
Those Orion shares were sold long ago, I believe Couer Mining bought the majority of them when they were planning a takeover of VG that didn't happen.  They later sold them.  This topic came up a few month ago on this board and it was established that the INK info was not up to date. Don't believe Orion holds any VG shares now. GMT Capital is (or at least was) VG's largest ...more  
Comment by saddlerack on Jul 22, 2024 5:32pm
Thanks for the clarification.  I've been pouring over the Sedar filings from Orion and all I can find are sales.
Comment by Swingandmiss on Jul 22, 2024 5:49pm
Comment by Swingandmiss on Jul 22, 2024 5:49pm
May 2021
Comment by HoneyBadger77 on Jul 22, 2024 6:19pm
May 2021 what?? If you're implying that the $113 million of retained earnings was in May 2021, then no that's not correct, they had $113 million in retained earnings as of Mar 31, 2024 as per their Balance Sheet. Here's my earller post again in case you want to read it again: TSX:VGCX Forum Topic | HoneyBadger77-36142876 | VGCX - Retained Earnings $113 Million | Victoria Gold Corp ...more  
Comment by Swingandmiss on Jul 22, 2024 6:32pm
May 2021 Orion sold half its shares to Coeur. 
Comment by Swingandmiss on Jul 22, 2024 6:33pm
He couldn't find the sedar on Orion. 
Comment by givemeabreak1 on Jul 22, 2024 7:02pm
HoneyBadger I really do not know what you were talking about in your earlier post as you went on something about them having 200 million at their disposal which is ridiculous.  Last I looked,  they had about 40 million in cash including other liquid assets,  however their accounts payable and accrued liabilities was over 70 million.  FYI accounts payable is paid out of cash and ...more  
Comment by HuskySW on Jul 22, 2024 7:20pm
Badger, your are absoulutely right.  CPA says "you wait till the accountants get a hold of the write downs for property, plant, equipt, and mine dev costs"  "then your retained earning will proably become a cost"   It could change a bit depending on how it is structured. Retained earings are going to be wiped out. More important what is the WORKING CAPITAL ...more  
Comment by HuskySW on Jul 22, 2024 7:25pm
Delete first statement, it was leff in buffer from another post. Best
Comment by givemeabreak1 on Jul 22, 2024 7:16pm
If you look closely at the Ink  Report it states it was last updated back in 2021 reason being Orion ceased to be an insider so no longer reports.... 
Comment by givemeabreak1 on Jul 22, 2024 6:28pm
Saddle GMT does not show on Ink as they are not an insider!  They hold less than 10% of the shares!  You have to look to their 13F SEC filings.
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