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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Spectral Medical Inc EDTXF


Primary Symbol: T.EDT

Spectral develops devices for unmet medical needs. Sepsis occurs in 1.7M Americans/year causing 250K deaths, often caused by endotoxin. Our devices measure and remove endotoxin from the bloodstream. An FDA confirmatory trial is underway. Dialco, a Spectral sub, offers SAMI, a novel instrument for renal replacement, cleared by FDA. Dialco is seeking FDA approval for DIMI a unique home dialysis... see more

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Spectral Medical Inc > MM’s Napkin Math
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Post by money4golf on Mar 10, 2024 9:59pm

MM’s Napkin Math

MM how do you see your previous evaluation from 11 months ago to where we are now heading down the stretch?

Post by mercedesmanon Apr 20, 2023 10:05am
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Napkin Math

Below mostly uses Spectral's own figures

Per Spectral the $ 2B US addressable market is approx. $ 2B USD per annum

(this is based on 140,000 patients x 2 PMX columns x $ 6750) or 140000x2x6750= $ 1,900,000,000

Probem 1:
But Laser consultant report indicated a US market pricing of $ 7,500 per PMX column (back in 2016)
If the life saving potential goes up, inflation rises, and so too does Trial costs go up,typically so too does the price.   But to be conservative lets just use $ 7,500 per column.   7500/6750 = 1.11 so lets apply that factor to the EBITDA calcs.

Problem 2
Canada not included.  Rights are for NA.  As far as I can tell the Commercialization Slide only addresses the US market and ignores Canada.  Canadian population is 11% of the US popultion so lets apply a factor of 1.11

Problem 3
Many studies have shown the benefits of a 3rd (and even perhaps) a fourth column in cases where the EAA remains stubbornly high, but it is still having an effect (of lowerinig Endotoxins and potentially aiding in organ recovery).  Let's apply a factor of 1.25 to recognize the dosage issue and assume that in some cases a 3rd column will be necessary.  I'll try to russle up the Study references suggestign the benefits of additonal columns of PMX on results.

Problem 4
The EBITDA chart assumes various market penetrations ranging form 7.5% to 50%.  But it is all based on 140,000 patients.  So a 40% marke penetration assumes only 56,000 patients would be treated. Upon FDA approval, PMX/EAA woudl in theory become the new standard of care for patients with gram negative Sepsis, with elevated SOFA scores.  Not sure why any hospitals would refuse giving any patients (even those expected to die as JK mentioned) the new SOC in an attempt to save their life.

Secondly the very next slide boldly highlights the fact that "As many as 300,000 to 400,000 patients in the US per annum may be appropriate for PMX "  So wouldn't a 40 % penetration on say 350,000 (the midpoint) = 140,000 patients (at 40% penetration of the "appropriate market)  So instead of usinig 56,000 patients (at 40%) shouldn't they use 140,000 patients?  140,000/56000 = 2.5 or the factor to bring the penetration calcs up to the PMX "appropriate" market.


So what does this all mean?  It suggests to me that the appropriate addressable EBITDA is actually much higher than the chart on page25 might first indicate.

If I select the 40% EBITDA column and choose the Total Spectral EAA/PMX EBITDA Potential (which assumes revenue sharing with someone like Baxter) and apply the above factors we get a revised EBITDA.

In applying just the first 3 adjustment factors (higher price, incl canada, addit columns in some cases) I get a revised EBITDA of:

$ 247M x 1.11x1.11 x 1.25 = $380M USD EBITDA (at 40 % market penetration only - despite it being presumably the new SOC)

And if I apply the last factor (higher usage) I get:

$ 380M x 2.5 = $ 951M USD EBITDA

Seto was correct iin stating that EBITDA multiples in this type of industry range from 10X to 25X in order to try to determine the appropriate market cap/value to a prospective acquirer.

So moviing to Market Cap calcs. I end up with the follwoing MC range

Low end range (only accounting for the first three factors and converting to CAD $ at 1.35)

380M x 1.35 x 10 = $ 5.130 B CAD $ MC   (ignores factor 4 or a much higher addressable market as suggested in slide 26)


High end range (also taking inito account slide 26, and assumed higher usage in reality but still only 40% market penetration)

951M x 1.35 x 25 = $ 32.1 B CAD $ MC


Current Spectral MC = $ 83 M  (That's a M not a B !)

Happy to correct any mistakes that anyone finds in the above calcs.  You can do the math to convert the MC to a pe share valuation using anywhere from best case 350M shares to worst case 400M shares O/S after end-game completes (pre-any reverse splits of course)

To justify today's LOWLOWLOW valuation of $ 83M CAD, and using the low end of the range above, one sorta has to assume that the market thinks that the odds of success (for this stage 3B confirmatory trial that is exceeding expectations) is less than 2% (83M/5130M).  Odd that Paradigm thinks it is over 75%.  Personally I think that Paradigm is low with that estimate.  But certainly under 2% is just ridiculous.  Especially when you realize that even if the FDA rejected PMX, their are other assets in the fold including: iDialco, EAA rights worldwide, IP, worldwide royatly rights for SAMI's used for HP, and break up value assets like unused tax loss carryforwards.

Is it time to spread the news to US analysts that eat this sort of thing up ?  And lower the go-forward cost of capital - necessary to complete the end game?  And to  reward the current, loyal and ever so patient shareholders with some movement towards a truer, more fair valuation pre-FDA approval ?

MM

 

Comment by BlueJays9293 on Mar 10, 2024 11:05pm
I personally don't subscribe to all that gibber jabber.  Here's my cheat sheet if that's what your asking for. At 90 patients Spectral was/is worth $3 per share.  Baxter/Vantive didn't have that kind of walking around money to pull that off, but that's neither here nor there. At 120 patients Spectral is worth $4 per share. At 150 patients Spectal is worth $5 per ...more  
Comment by daviking on Mar 10, 2024 11:56pm
Now all we have to do is get some updates with increasing numbers of entrants. HOw long will it take with 20+ sites enrolling. TOO LONG, imo! Let's go SPECTRAL!
Comment by mercedesman on Mar 11, 2024 1:05am
Gibber jabber ? You haven't explained the basis for your claim "At 90 patients Spectral was/is worth $3 per share." If you're saying it should be trading at $3 today, pre-approval , then you need to be clear about that, and explain what the investing community is missing and how.  Your final answer is probably wrong and unfortunately I can't give you partial ...more  
Comment by BlueJays9293 on Mar 11, 2024 12:41pm
Fine, Jabber gibber if you prefer.  These are the prices in US dollars that I feel Spectral will get taken over for at the various patient enrollment numbers.  Whether or not we get taken over early is clearly a huge variable so I'm not saying we should be trading at those numbers, though I do think the market currently isn't pricing in this very real possibility.  If your ...more  
Comment by hmmmmmmmm on Mar 11, 2024 2:28pm
I'm curious how your math squares Vantive a company hoping to IPO at a 4.5Billion valuation, buying PMX -that you've priced at the low range of 5.13Billion (CA)? And before you pivot to- Baxter is going to keep PMX for themselves- you might want to go back and look at all the Vantive promotional material which includes PMX as one of their assets. The materials were of course was created ...more  
Comment by gebremeskel on Mar 11, 2024 4:26pm
The Vantive promotional material shows PMX as something they have exclusive distribution rights to in North America. The plan seems to have been for Baxter to transfer those rights to Vantive as part of the spin off. Maybe there were no immediate plans for a buyout of PMX. Now that there is the possibility of Baxter selling their Kidney Care asset that puts the PMX distribution rights up in the ...more  
Comment by mercedesman on Mar 11, 2024 5:48pm
Hard to put odds on how it might play out. Depends how many other interested parties there are, not just in Baxters dialysis business, but in the Sepsis solution piece as well - and what value they might place on the latter.  If Baxter can get full value for the latter ( not trivial)  then they can avoid all the hassles of IPOing and running a second business.  At the moment I ...more  
Comment by mercedesman on Mar 11, 2024 5:34pm
Hmmmmm re: " squaring"  Try re-reading my post  In particular the last paragraph.  Also $7x 400M = $2.8M and that's before considering that Baxter is already an owner of some fully diluted shares.  And the "valuation" hasn't been discounted to take into account the time value of money. Finally, if there was a buyout around the time of ...more  
Comment by mercedesman on Mar 11, 2024 12:55am
Hey m4g A few things have changed since that post.  In the presentation they removed the words "As many as 300,000 to 400,000 patients in the US per annum may be appropriate for PMX " This high end figure in earlier presentations seemed to have implied a much wider usage ( perhaps because of label expansion) - but who knows now?  So the higher end of the estimate ...more  
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