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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Air Canada T.AC

Alternate Symbol(s):  ACDVF

Air Canada is an airline company. The Company is a provider of scheduled passenger services in the Canadian market, the Canada-United States (U.S.) transborder market and the international market to and from Canada. It provides scheduled service directly to more than 180 airports in Canada, the United States and internationally on six continents. The Company’s Aeroplan program is Canada's... see more

TSX:AC - Post Discussion

Air Canada > Q3 (and Q4) outlook
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Post by Rouge10 on Sep 08, 2022 12:14am

Q3 (and Q4) outlook

Based on similar calculations in last few posts, here is the outlook for cost and revenue scenarios for AC.

Q3

Cost: Major operational costs are fuel, labor and maintenance.

Fuel: cost is shaping up to be at par or lower than Q2 fuel cost. It has been trending down since Jun ’22 and is now below pre Ukraine war, clearly indicating either reduction in demand and/or mitigation of supply issues because of the war. Jet fuel spread, however is higher than pre-war. My assumption is that avg fuel price is 5% lower than Q2 and I believe this conservative estimate.
Calculating fuel cost at 80% capacity (of Q3’19, forecasted by AC) by straight line estimate, fuel cost is approx. ~$1.49B.

Labor:  Since in Q2’19 AC had employees close to 2019 numbers, we can safely assume same number of employees in Q3. I still bumped the labor cost to $0.765B.

Maintenance: I have bumped the maintenance cost up by 15% to account for Q3’19 trend in 2019. Cost is ~$0.225B

Other operational cost: Calculating remaining opex cost by proration based on Q2’22 and Q3’19 trends, it should be ~$2.045B. This includes amortization cost same as Q2’22.
Total operational cost: ~4.5B
Other cost (interest, etc…) impacts: Same as Q2 ’22.


Revenue: AC doesn’t indicate credit card revenues separately like US airlines. Hence, those numbers show in free cash flow. For revenue, major categories are

Passenger:

Demand: Q3 looks strong. Passenger data in Canada (https://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/en/screened-passenger-data) for July and Aug came to about 83% (of 2019). @ 80% Air Canada capacity, this will translate into similar load factor to Q3’19. 7-9% capacity cut for Q3 would have bumped the load factor too. Most likely it will be higher than 2019.

Price: Q2 ’22 fare price were 14% higher than Q2’19. My assumption is that Q3’22 fares are 15% higher than Q3 ’19.
This translates into passenger revenue of ~$4.75B. (92% of Q3’19)

Cargo: Q2’22 was 170% higher than Q2’19. My assumption it will be 180% higher in Q3’22 than Q3’19. This will translate into ~$0.32B
Total revenue of $5.25B.

Operating income of ~$0.75B (Q3 is always best quarter of the year).
Net income of approx. ~0.4B (however, I haven’t checked the forex impact, which could go either way).
Free cash flow of approx. $0.7B-$1.0B (depending on how much will be spent in aircraft purchase)
 

Q4 (usually a weaker quarter) will really depend on fuel price and ticket demand.
Fuel price is shaping out to be 10% lesser than Q3. This could change. Keep it in mind, with mild recession, chances of higher fuel price are less. As per Air Canada (August operational update), summer peak has shifted right and Q4 demand is still strong. Last two week (Aug end and Sept first 4 days) traffic ended up at avg of 88% of 2019. This indicates stronger demand trend into Sept and likely into Q4.
With right capacity management in Q4 should also see positive free cash flow of ~$0.1B-$0.3B, depending on aircraft purchase payments.
Comment by givemeabreak1 on Sep 08, 2022 1:33am
So numbers going through security are finally equally to 2019 so everything should be great.  But wait that includes double counting it takes 2 or 3 times through to finally get on a flight lol!   Funny how everytime the share price has a bit of an upswing Rouge shows up with his pumps!  
Comment by Pachuko on Sep 09, 2022 10:20am
Maybe Rouge shows up because there is news to comment on or data to share not just posting over and over the same nonsensical dart throwing world ending sky falling senseless babbling that clutter the board every day. Suffice to say there is more content and food for actual data driven discussion in one post from Rouge than hundreds of posts from some others. Agree or disagree there is content in ...more  
Comment by givemeabreak1 on Sep 09, 2022 10:15pm
Rouge only shows up when something positive can be spinned.  This fool owns $50 shares and use to pump the stock is going to $100-$150 a share.  He has backed off some now hoping some have forgot the foolish stuff he pumped!
Comment by Wynjoe on Sep 10, 2022 9:40am
Lol,sounds like you and returns only on the bashing side.Do you listen to yourself?
Comment by givemeabreak1 on Sep 10, 2022 11:35pm
Wynjoe follow my posts!  I shorted at near $30 covered then bought in again at near $20 then sold at next run up at $26.  Waiting for a good re-entry but that may be below $15 depending on next quarter.  I post my position I am not a basher or a bagholder the nearest I get to the B word is the btches I meet at the bar!
Comment by JackWabbit on Sep 12, 2022 1:25am
You must be a real genius and loaded to be able time the market like that! JW
Comment by Wynjoe on Sep 12, 2022 9:41am
Returns and this Yahoo never bought more then a penny stock. With Air Canadas repurchase of 2025 notes, this shows confidence going forward. When ,not if,s/p shoots above $20.00, a high is anyone's guess. Great things are coming to most if not all airline stocks, GOODLUCK!!!AIR CANADA IS A GREAT BUY AND HOLD COMPANY.
Comment by lb1temporary on Sep 12, 2022 10:57pm
Air Canada will buy back 174 M$ (face value) of its 2025 notes. That will left 574 M$ 2025 convertible notes on the market.  With its Billions of cash, many in excess i don't understand why it buy back only 174M$.   I really have a problem with that. Why so few? I was a fan of Air Canada but the Financial moves made with and after the Pandemy were difficult to follow: too much ...more  
Comment by Returns2021 on Sep 08, 2022 11:45am
You have been wrong for 2 years straight, keep it going bagholder.  LMFAO