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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Air Canada T.AC

Alternate Symbol(s):  ACDVF

Air Canada is an airline company. The Company is a provider of scheduled passenger services in the Canadian market, the Canada-United States (U.S.) transborder market and the international market to and from Canada. It provides scheduled service directly to more than 180 airports in Canada, the United States and internationally on six continents. The Company’s Aeroplan program is Canada's... see more

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Air Canada > Comparing AC with US airlines.
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Post by Rouge10 on Apr 13, 2023 11:16am

Comparing AC with US airlines.

Quick refresher comparing AC with other US airlines. Following the structure from my last post on the same topic, here are some updated numbers/info. AC continue to building towards the best opportunity amongst North American airlines. And also a very strong investment opporunity.

See below table. The data from this table has come from latest financial statements and last year investor-day documents. Some data about AC from TD bank analysis. You can search for these online easily.

Situation has not changed much since last time I posted this same analysis. 

One look at the leverage ratio, can explain how strong AC is financially compared to other airlines.

Compare Airlines - All figures in Billions unless specified
  Revenue 2022 Total Debt Liquidity Net debt Target net debt by 2024/25 Capex - 3 years 3 year Free cash flow - '23-'25 Outstanding shares (MM) Adj Debt/ EBITDAR (2024/26)
Air Canada  $  14.2  $  17.2  $ 9.80  $ 7.40  $   5.7  $ 3.50  $ 3.0 357  1.5X (2024 end)
Delta Airlines  $  50.0  $  31.5  $ 9.50  $ 22.0  $  15.0  $ 15.0  $ 10.5   641  2-3X (2025)
United Airlines  $  45.0  $  37.0  $ 18.2  $ 18.8  $  25.0  $ 20.3     329  2.5X (2025/26)
American Airlines  $  49.0  $ 44.3  $ 12.0  $  32.3  $ 20.0  $ 9.0     721  >3X (2025/26)


Let’s compare US airlines with Air Canada as an opportunity.
 
Leverage ratio:           Net Debt/EBITDA.                                             Lower the better
EV/EBIDTA:                  (SP*outstanding shares+Net Debt)/EBITDA      Lower number means lower valuation
 
As of end of 2022
                                    Leverage ratio              EV/EBITDA
United Airlines                    3.32(3.8 my calc)      6.62
Air Canada                          5.0                           10.0
American Airlines                 6.7                           4.7
Delta Airlines                        4.0                           3.0+
 
As per guidelines provided by airlines at end of 2023
 
                                    Leverage ratio              EV/EBITDA
United Airlines                    >=3.32                          >=6.62
Air Canada                           ~2.25                              6.62 (@ 38 per share: Assume market evaluates AC similar to United)
If market evaluates AC lower then the ratio will be even stronger and conservative.
 
  1. As of end of 2022, Air Canada seems worse but there is a catch. Air Canada (Canada) was impacted by OMICRON in early 2022 and as a result lost 4-5 months of business compared to US airlines and leading to lower EBITDA (lower denominator). But AC in 2023 will catch up and will produce full year EBITDA similar to US airlines. Thus reducing the leverage ratio. In fact few weeks months (Q2) from now, trailing leverage ratio will be lower than United.
  2. In 2023, United will spend billions in capital spending to acquire new fleet. This will not allow to lower the leverage ratio but Air Canada on the hand will end up with lower ratio than United in 2023. Delta and American will also spend billions in capex but less than Air Canada.
  3. If United didn’t need to spend on fleet renewal they would be strongest airline investment. Remember AC chose to spend that money in the past and not distribute dividends.
  4. As of now, there are no indication of revenue impact in 2023 and if it does it won’t be large enough dent to derail the outlook. We are already in Q2 with solid demand/booking for next key peak revenue months.
Air Canada has the strongest opportunity not only amongst North American airlines, but also as independent investment opportunity.
Comment by Returns2021 on Apr 13, 2023 11:29am
This is incredibly delusional that does not take into account massive costs, recession and inflation.  AC is going below $15 after Q1 disaster and there is nothing to stop it
Comment by TradeForex on Apr 17, 2023 2:33pm
The resident anal-yst does not agree with this comparison report. I look forward to the much anticipated resident market anal-yst conference to counter JP Morgan Chase Air Canada conference 
Comment by Veecee1 on Apr 13, 2023 12:19pm
Does your target net Debt for 24/25 include debt repayments . Amos did mention this during recent conference, thanks
Comment by Rouge10 on Apr 13, 2023 12:29pm
It's net debt. Includes the debt payment schedule mentioned in MD&A. I think 2 airlines are providing the target net debt numbers and for others its simple high level calculation. 
Comment by JuIieRichards on Apr 13, 2023 2:12pm
The only thing delusional is the board troll and his panicked creation of dumb and ignorant scenarios.. there are 10000 other stockboards he could post on but he got dumped by AC a long time ago, yeeeeee haaaaaaw
Comment by JuIieRichards on Apr 13, 2023 2:46pm
Facts, nobody is reading the two trolls polluting the board broke Returns and broke porc
Comment by JuIieRichards on Apr 13, 2023 6:02pm
Let's pin this post.
Comment by Rouge10 on Apr 13, 2023 9:46pm
Infact, for AC 12 month trailing leverage ratio should already (Q1 is over) be ~4.0, higher only than United airlines. By end of Q2 (77 days to go), it will be ~3.35. This should bring AC on top or at least  very close to United airlines.  Why? cause for US airlines 2022 was a full recovery year and  AC was marred by Q1/Q2 '22 Omicron shut down. 2023 will be full recovery year ...more  
Comment by JuIieRichards on Apr 14, 2023 12:54am
Yes
Comment by red2000 on Apr 14, 2023 7:46am
Interesting news from Delta !!! https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/delta-air-offers-bullish-outlook-international-travel-demand-2023-04-13/ GL Longs !
Comment by JuIieRichards on Apr 14, 2023 7:14pm
The trolls are having some problems reading
Comment by JuIieRichards on Apr 14, 2023 1:41pm
Well done!
Comment by JuIieRichards on Apr 14, 2023 6:27pm
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Comment by JuIieRichards on Apr 15, 2023 10:33pm
The Troll Returns just got rolled over by ROUGE10 and by Fitch. notice that the Troll can never actually get into any Financials and actually talk points. Because he is a laid off troll.
Comment by JuIieRichards on Apr 16, 2023 12:58am
And the troll got Fitched
Comment by JuIieRichards on Apr 16, 2023 9:26pm
Back to page one
Comment by givemeabreak1 on Apr 16, 2023 11:58pm
This post has been removed in accordance with Community Policy
Comment by givemeabreak1 on Apr 16, 2023 11:59pm
On a side note AC according to Rouge past posts was suppose to break over $100 a share this year is predictive ability appears to be as stupid as his posts!
Comment by JuIieRichards on Apr 17, 2023 2:01am
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