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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Argonaut Gold Inc T.AR

Alternate Symbol(s):  T.AR.DB.U | ARNGF

Argonaut Gold Inc. is a gold producer with a portfolio of operations in North America. The Company’s operating mines include Florida Canyon, Magino, La Colorada and San Agustin. The Florida Canyon Gold Mine area is situated in northwestern Nevada within the Basin and Range physiographic province. The Magino mine property is a past producing underground gold mine located 40 kilometers (km... see more

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Argonaut Gold Inc > Argonaut’s Missteps: Scapegoating Magino
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Post by ARGONAUTGOLD on Apr 27, 2024 1:32pm

Argonaut’s Missteps: Scapegoating Magino

Magino is a property, an object. You can’t blame an object for Argonaut Gold’s management and directors failing to execute their business plan. It’s beyond foolish to make excuses for these failures.
 
These people gloated about having 10, 20, even 30 years of experience working in the gold mining industry.
 
The first EAC they released for Magino mine was ~C$500 million, and as of today, they spent ~US$825 million and have allocated an additional US$77 million for CapEx in 2024. An increase in initial, construction, and sustaining capital costs all have an adverse effect on the NPV of the project.
 
Argonaut Gold’s management and directors failed to address these cost overruns, and as a consequence, according to the mine plan stated in Magino’s tech report, the NPV for the project is now negative.
 
Argonaut Gold’s management and directors failed to commence the first pour on schedule. They delayed the first pour multiple times, and as a consequence, the company was unable to commence commercial production on time, which resulted in the company missing guidance in 2023.
 
Like I’ve previously said, the mine does have an 18.5-year lifespan. 18.5 years of exploration could have resulted in a significant increase in resources and reserves. Following the 20k tpd expansion and a new life of mine plan, the project could have had a positive discounted NPV.
 
We already know Island Gold’s Elbow Central zone is connected to the Magino property, and the official Ontario geology website states high-grade gold 6-7 g/t exists all over the property, from the Elbow Central zone to Web Lake Stock Pile.
 
This is billions of dollars’ worth of gold. This is not worth US$325 million. It’s crazy to think someone would even suggest this, but we saw Richard Young state that he himself approves of the acquisition offer, which is insane.
 
The perspective of the hedges creating a ‘zombie mine’ is ignorant, as the life of mine plan stated in the tech report, which the company failed to execute, included annual gold production figures which exceeded the hedges for the particular years. Meaning the average sale price of the gold produced at Magino would have been higher than the price of the forward contracts. If the company was capable of executing the life of mine plan stated in the tech report, the mine would have been profitable.
 
The hedges wouldn’t have been a problem if Richard Young didn’t increase the cost of TMF by ~US$10 million per Q, and OpEx in general. The 2024 guidance cost per tonne at Magino is substantially higher than the cost per tonne stated in the tech report and almost double the cost per tonne at the FC mine.
 
As for the concerns regarding the company’s balance sheet. The mining industry’s average debt and net debt is higher than Argonaut Gold’s. Believe it or not, but there are a lot of companies which carry negative working capital balances and have low cash and equivalents, but the market has valued these companies at or above US$1 billion. Good examples are Coeur Mining, Wesdome Gold, Oceana Gold, and IAMGOLD. I would suggest reviewing these companies as their data is worse than Argonaut Gold’s, but yet, the market is pricing these companies at or above US$1 billion. Argonaut Gold’s gross and net profit margins in 2023 were ~10%. New Gold’s gross profit margin was ~12% while their net profit margin was approximately negative 8% in 2023. New Gold has US$396 million worth of debt, 5 million gold resource and reserve ounces, and over US$1 billion market capitalization.
 
For the mining industry, the enterprise value of the majority of the companies I analyzed was above their book value. The market capitalization of the majority of these companies is at or above their book value, and at or just below their enterprise value. Argonaut Gold’s enterprise value is ~US$300 million less than their book value, their market cap is almost 50% less than their enterprise value, and their market cap is less then 50% of their book value.
 
Like I said, Richard Young should have done his job and refinanced in December 2023 instead of using equity and debt raises to begin paying down the loan facility. They couldn’t afford the repayments at the time or meet the requirements set out in the financial covenants. They were at risk of defaulting since before December 2023. These issues needed to be addressed promptly, but instead Richard delayed and delayed, which created instability, and as a consequence, the stock price fell to an all-time low.
 
Richard Young delayed the refinance, as he acquired several waivers to do so. It’s unacceptable to use debt or funds from an equity raise to begin paying down debt. Since the company doesn’t have free cash flows, it’s the only way they’re able to make repayments.
 
Richard Young told investors the company received term sheets from several potential lenders which are under consideration. The Company is evaluating its options for refinancing and plans to close by the end of April 2024.
 
Instead of accepting one of the offers, which he gloated about having three of them and would be picking the best one, this guy sold a US$1 billion asset for $325 million, and then diluted share holders further by issuing a C$50 million equity raise. He had a big grin on his face and said this is the best deal for shareholders right now. I spoke with the company about obtaining an additional US$300 million, they acknowledged that they did require the funding and were hoping to obtain the funds through a debt raise which could be included in the refinance. They said they wanted to avoid diluting shareholders.
 
These people say they have 10, 20, even 30 years of experience working in the gold mining industry. Yet, they couldn’t manage to stay within their budget, schedule and commence the first pour on time, commence commercial production on time, hit 2023 guidance, refinance the loan facility or meet the requirements set out in the financial covenants. There was even a death on site during the construction of the Magino mine.
 
In regard to the updated tech reports which the company was supposed to be releasing this year. The 20k tpd expansion would have made the hedges look like they didn’t exist at all, as the production would have significantly exceeded the hedges for the particular year. This was the reason why I was invested, as gold price is soaring up towards US$3k per ounce, imagine if they released an updated tech report which included a 250k ounce annual production, as well as, an increase in reserves, and was calculated using a gold price of over US$2k per ounce. I believe this would have been enough to send the stock price back up to its high in 2022. The cherry on the sundae was supposed to come from the company exposing the 5 million ounce oxide deposit at FC and release an updated tech report for FC. The company said during the Q3’23 conference call, they would be doubling production at Florida Canyon. This statement is in the transcript of the call.
 
Crazy to think, C$17.5 million spent on a drill program, plus whatever else was allocated to the program from the equity raise which insiders purchased in December 2023. Let me remind you about the fat short position miraculously covered during the same period the equity offer closed, and I don’t believe this was a coincidence. The program commenced on August 1, 2023, 9 months later, the company says there is no material information to present. Which is weird because IR told me in April 2023 that Magino reserves were anticipated to increase by 2 million gold ounces, and then in December 2023 Richard Young stated the same thing. They have enough material information to suggest an increase of reserves by 2 million gold ounces but tell investors they don’t have any material information to present? They haven’t presented any drill results since 2022.
 
These people say they have 10, 20, even 30 years of experience working in the gold mining industry. These people blew through millions of our dollars, commenced a drill program on August 1, 2023, and 9 months later, they have no material information to present. These people sold US$4 billion worth of future cash flows for US$325 million. Imagine how much more gold could have been discovered over the next 18.5 years on the Magino property. If the gold price were to hit US$3k per ounce, the future cash flows of the current resources and reserves would be worth A LOT MORE than US$4 billion. The future cash flows from their resources and reserves could have increased significantly just based on exploration.
 
As for investors explaining how much you like getting bent over by AGI. Let me remind you, that in order for AR to hit C$.80 per share, this would require AGI’s stock price to increase by 100%. Why is this? The exchange rate implies a correlation. So, in order for AR to increase by ~100%, AGI’s stock price would need to rise to ~C$40 per share. AGI’s price target on the high end is only C$27 per share.
 
ShitCo shares aren’t worth anything as the Mexican assets are unprofitable and will be out of commission in the near future as 2/3 are processing residual materials in 2024, and FC isn’t profitable either. You require evidence FC isn’t profitable? Go read the company’s 2024 guidance, the AISC ranges from US$2,350 to US$2,450. If you calculate the cost per tonne and then include CapEx, the AISC is like US$3,275, which is insane.
 
The reason the company was trying to sell the Mexican assets was literally because they weren’t profitable. They can’t acquire additional concessions which they will require in the near future, and the locals are protesting against the open-pit operations. Cerro De Gallo will never produce anything, as the locals would never let that happen and the government will not issue the open-pit operation a concession.
 
Furthermore, the company has already stated they don’t care about FC mine either, as the operation is unprofitable and the NPV of the project is negative.
 
If the company was actually capable of exposing the 5 million ounces oxide deposit at FC mine, then maybe the NPV of the project could have flipped to positive
 
The company’s slogan should be, “If you stumble, don’t bother picking yourself up, just stay down and accept defeat.”.
 
ShitCo's cash and equivelants will be ~C$10 million. The company and AGI announced this a while back. Argonaut Gold’s working capital will be gone by the end of July and their cash and equivalents will be completely depleted by the end of September. By the end of 2024, AR will have a negative working capital balance of -US$57 million, and a negative cash and equivalents of -US$31 million.
 
The new ShitCo will also be required to raise the funds for the third leach pad, which none of you seem to have caught on to yet, as you keep posting about how much you love the AGI deal. Right out of the IPO, you will receive a 10-1 reverse split and then the company will most likely issue an equity raise to fund the leach pad.
 
Why an equity raise you ask? Part of investing is taking a holistic approach and by doing so we can see that the management and directors at Argonaut Gold who will be running ShitCo have diluted Argonaut Gold shareholders significantly, and even diluted shareholders after they sent the stock price tumbling down to an all-time low. Equity raise after equity raise, the dilution is unreal, but yet these heartless scums further diluted shareholders by issuing themselves millions of RSUs following the stock price hitting an all-time low.
 
The insiders may hold common shares which they purchased on the open market, and their averages may be higher than today’s stock price. Which is actually correct. I’ve heard a few investors talk about this and suggest the stock price will rise above the insiders’ averages, as the insiders are currently underwater. This isn’t correct, as the company has issued themselves millions of RSUs, which they will sell into the open market and the profits will cover any losses they may have incurred selling their common shares which they purchased on the open market. I believe user CrazyTime has mentioned this already. This is true, and I believe this is the company’s plan.
 
These people gloated about having 10, 20, even 30 years of experience working in the gold mining industry. Yet, the operating data from Q3’23 and Q4’23 suggests these people were incapable of hitting any of the benchmarks outlined in the Magino tech report. They have literally made excuses for their failures and have accused the previous management and directors for their mistakes. Current management and directors insist the previous management and directors are at fault for everything because they set standards too high and current management and directors aren’t capable of meeting these standards.
 
I’ve heard nothing but excuses from this company. Every NR has been terrible, the last few financial reports have included shockingly bad data which differs from their previous statements and tech reports.
 
I believe the only positive thing the company released in 2 years was the reserve increase at Magino. Other than that, I have been literally shocked after reading anything these people have presented.
 
Anything released in their reports which was positive, the company has failed to execute, delayed, or just stopped talking about. For instance, a while back the company was mentioning in their presentations that in-fill drilling would result in the head grade increasing to 1.43 g/t for the first few years and following the installation of a pebble crusher and as a consequence of the over-design of the mill, their operation would process 13k tpd. The company completely stopped talking about the in-fill drill results, head grade increase and throughput increase in regard to the over-design and pebble crusher. Did they think we would just forget about those statements? I think they truly believe that, and then when confronted they hide behind the legal section of their NRs which include a disclaimer pertaining to forward-looking statements. Or they tell investors that the previous management had made those statements and it’s not their fault they’re incapable of meeting the standards set out by previous management.
 
There are so many red flags here it’s beyond funny. Pretending like the AGI deal was great is just ignorant and wrong.
 
This isn’t a great deal and the stock price will most likely never hit C$.80. I find it funny, watching investors, whose names I will not mention, trying to lure people into this ‘investment’ by suggesting they could receive a 100% return by buying stock at today’s price.
 
Like I said, AGI’s price target on the high end is currently C$27 per share. Their stock price just hit an all-time high and for AR shares to hit C$0.80, which is a ~100% increase from today’s price, AGI’s stock price would need to rise to ~C$40 per share, which is a ~100% increase from its all-time high.
 
These price targets are clearly illusions to some investors as the current price target for AR is C$.40 per share.
 
I understand there could be discrepancies in these price targets, but I don’t think these analysts are off by 50% or 100%.
 
These people gloated about having 10, 20, even 30 years of experience working in the gold mining industry. Yet, we've heard nothing but excuses and seen nothing but failures.
 
 
Comment by merlinboy on Apr 27, 2024 2:45pm
i think Richard Young and the people at AR though they a  company they could ride into the sunset but messed it all up .There was a lot of good meal and car bought from the PP .Then they ran out of CASH and i could see Franco sick of waiting called Alamos . Move in take over because i cannot see us getting anything from these guy ??
Comment by Funex4t on Apr 27, 2024 2:46pm
ARGONAUT GOLD, I am in full agreement with your analysis of management and how absurd this situation is. You are obviously very detailed and have put a lot of time and effort into sharing your thoughts. I am curious as to why the two large investment houses are voting in favour of the takeover? How will they benefit?  I would have thought they would be pushing back? After all, like us I ...more  
Comment by merlinboy on Apr 27, 2024 2:59pm
I think they did not want to keep feed these guys .Also when the deal closes you can get margin with AGi stock .Like 75 cents on the dollar .
Comment by Lifexprt on Apr 27, 2024 3:35pm
I do. Because they have a seat on the board and much better grasp of the situation than a Argoman. Although kudos to Argoman for the write up.  Couple things, purchase price is $530M US including debt and debentures, not factoring the cost of hedges, so not $325M Total zombie mine until hedges are done, which is 3 years. AISC mich higher than forecasted, Q1 report will be an eye opener ...more  
Comment by ARGONAUTGOLD on Apr 27, 2024 5:09pm
Yes, no problem. I will try my best to provide insight on GMT Capital Corp, one of the largest institutional shareholders.   Firstly, lets discuss their potential average share price.    Prior to the closing of the equity raise on June 2, 2022, GMT Capital Corp held 67,676,962 shares with an undisclosed average price.   Following the closing of the equity raise on ...more  
Comment by okgonow on Apr 27, 2024 5:18pm
I'll go with that ..... as I will sit on a solid double of my investment and am very happy with this outcome!  100% profit in 8-12 month's is nothing to complain about! I wish all my holdings would pay off this well GLTA
Comment by crazytimes on Apr 27, 2024 5:29pm
Hi. Argo you make some great points.  I am guessing we would also need to know who was or was not involved in the  MASSIVE very profitable short positions somehow put on at the just the right time with psychic precision and then conveniently covered without a worry after the eventual surprise of horrible news and sudden financing at new lows to know everyones true average share price ...more  
Comment by Lifexprt on Apr 27, 2024 5:41pm
Close  But they are sitting quite higher  Original shares were purchased around $2-2.50 as there were only two times in history over last 15 years where Argonaut was around $1 and they lasted few weeks without financings. Weighted average over that timeframe is just over $2  Either way they are still easy 50% out of money and think this offer was the best decision to make given ...more  
Comment by ARGONAUTGOLD on Apr 27, 2024 6:01pm
Lifexprt, the NI 43-101 technical reports must be prepared by a qualified person, who is an engineer or geoscientist with at least five years of experience in mineral exploration, mine development or operation, or mineral project assessment.   The qualified person must have experience relevant to the subject matter of the mineral project and the technical report. This ensures that the ...more  
Comment by Lifexprt on Apr 27, 2024 6:15pm
Here is one of the reasons things didn't work out as planned  Second is inadequate fleet and equipment capacity  Note all was ordered by previous management  https://twitter.com/NeilRingdahl/status/1762833579547988422?t=hgUkWqayHTpRXx1NY1Jqlw&s=19
Comment by ARGONAUTGOLD on Apr 27, 2024 6:34pm
Lifexprt, that is called the dunning kruger effect, which is a cognitive bias where people with low skills overestimate their ability. It’s related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from people’s inability to recognize their lack of ability.   Without the self-awareness of metacognition, these people cannot objectively evaluate their level of competence. As a result, ...more  
Comment by Lifexprt on Apr 27, 2024 7:07pm
Alright there Kruger, last time I checked price is higher than when Richard came on board and modestly higher since my buy ins.  Can't say the same about previous management as it came down from $4 to .40
Comment by ARGONAUTGOLD on Apr 27, 2024 7:10pm
Lifexprt, can you provide evidence that the company GMT purchased shares above C$1.00? Or did you assume this? I cannot find any evidence to support this cliam. That is a very bold statement as this would significantly change their average.   I also don’t believe they purchased shares at C$2.00 as the public were aware of the cost overruns in December 2021. It’s improbable that GMT began ...more  
Comment by Lifexprt on Apr 27, 2024 7:27pm
Sure Only financings since 2015 were done in 2017 and 2020 at $2.40 and $2.55 meaning they participated on one of those or something prior to 2014 Here is something interesting about FC  https://stockhouse.com/news/press-releases/2020/07/03/argonaut-gold-announces-updated-life-of-mine-plan-for-florida-canyon-which
Comment by ARGONAUTGOLD on Apr 27, 2024 7:57pm
Lifexprt, that isn't evidence, that is an assumption. There is no evidence to support your claim.
Comment by Lifexprt on Apr 27, 2024 8:03pm
C'mon dude, get real  Where did you think they picked up 66 million shares without moving the price higher  Definitely not around $1  My best estimate is their current average between $.75-.90.  Only financings to support that volume were at $2.40-$2.55  Either way this Cerro del Gallo seems interesting, cost $15 million back in 2018 and with gold at $2,400 NPV is ...more  
Comment by ARGONAUTGOLD on Apr 27, 2024 8:20pm
Lifexprt, there were 129 million shares traded between the months of May and June in 2022 while the stock price traded around C$1.00. Yes, it is realistic to suggest that the strategic investment firm GMT purchased ~66 million shares after the stock price dropped and not before, in the range of $2.00 years prior. In November 2021 the stock price reached close to the same high it hit in 2016.& ...more  
Comment by Lifexprt on Apr 27, 2024 8:28pm
Ah yes of course GMT managed to scoop up 50% of all shares during the only two months that would fit your theory I am done debating this. Think whatever you want.
Comment by ARGONAUTGOLD on Apr 27, 2024 9:02pm
Listen to yourself. You’re telling us that GMT Capital Corp, a strategic and profitable hedge fund, has been holding since 2020-2021, prior to the stock price hitting C$4.00.   You’re implying that this savvy investment firm’s master plan is to purchase at C$2.00, which is half of the peak price the stock hit in 2016, then when the stock hits that high of C$4.00, and continue to do so ...more  
Comment by Stratocheif on Apr 28, 2024 2:07pm
There's forward thinking and there's backward thinking.  Other than capital loss considerations for tax reasons, one should always exercise forward thinking. If you buy something at $3 and it goes to 30 cents. The idea of selling because you lost 90% is backward thinking. The correct thinking is....is what I own at 30 cents a good value yes or no. If so, why sell. 
Comment by ARGONAUTGOLD on Apr 28, 2024 3:08pm
The point I was making actually went right over your head.    I’ll attempt to clarify it in simpler terms.   Lifexprt is suggesting that GMT Capital Corp, a strategic and profitable hedge fund, acquired a long position at C$2.00 at some point between 2020 and 2021.   By December 2021, the stock price had reached C$4.00. This would have resulted in a 100% increase in ...more  
Comment by ARGONAUTGOLD on Apr 27, 2024 7:31pm
They sure got us good with that ‘pebble crusher’ and the over-design of the mill. The best joke I heard in 2023 was about the pebble crusher. They said the pebble crusher and the over-design would increase the mill’s throughput to 13k TPD. However, they only milled ~9,041 TPD during Q4’23. I guess it was a big joke on the shareholders.    The 'pebble crusher', LMAO!
Comment by ARGONAUTGOLD on Apr 29, 2024 11:51am
Psych01, I hate to say this, but based on your posts, I believe you deserve to hold the bag as you held through the cost overrun announcement and a 90% drop in the stock price. You have never posted anything on here which is useful. Every one of your posts has been conjecture, your personal opinion, and because you clearly have put NO effort into analyzing the company, you deserve to hold the bag. ...more  
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