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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Bombardier Inc. T.BBD.A

Alternate Symbol(s):  T.BBD.B | T.BBD.P.B | T.BBD.P.C | T.BBD.P.D | BDRPF | BDRXF | BDRAF | BOMBF | BDRBF

Bombardier Inc. is focused on designing, manufacturing, and servicing business jets. The Company has a fleet of approximately 5,000 aircraft in service with a wide variety of multinational corporations, charter and fractional ownership providers, governments, and private individuals. The Company designs, develops, manufactures and markets two families of business jets (Challenger and Global... see more

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Bombardier Inc. > EDUCATED TIMING
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Post by Starsearcher80 on Jul 02, 2022 1:29am

EDUCATED TIMING

There's an old saying in the market: "When your taxi driver is talking about a given stock, it's time to sell."  Now, first of all, no disrespect to the taxi drivers out there.  Great, hard-working people.  But the essence of the saying suggests that when "everyone" thinks it is that good, it's time to sell, and conversely, when it seems impossibly horrible, that's the exact time to buy.   It's also demonstrated by hordes of novice investors, who buy at the absolute top, and sell at the absolute bottom with almost uncanny accuracy.

The trick then, is to do what might seem completely counter-intuitive to the overall market sentiment, at the appropriate time.  Take for example last November, when the market was absolutely on fire and there was nowhere but up.  At that time, I put out the following post on a different thread, but the post was talking about what I thought was coming, and why people who were in the midst of this market euphoria should show fear.. CLICK HERE to read.

Market timing is not just for traders, although obviously becuase of the short term nature of what we do as traders, that timing is crtical.  But market timing is also hugely important for investors too, and absoluely can and should be done.  If last November was the height of euphoria then (which it was), and we have now gone through the worse downturn in 50 years to date (which it has been), how do you look for those bottoms to time with the intent of taking a long investment postion?  This is NOT as hard as some people may at first think.

First of all, the market is always a forward-looking instrument, typically by about 6 months.  That's why the selling for our current messy market started last November.  So if you now look at things in real-time now, the market is not looking at June. Again, think 6 months ahead. The market is starting to set their sights on next December and onwards.  In this light, if there is further negativity to come WITHIN the next 6 months, for example even further Fed rate increases in July, then you can correctly assume that this has already been priced in to the market....i.e., to the makret's way of thinking, the rate hike has already happened.

So the question becomes "next December should we be coming out of this mess"?  If the answer could be "yes", then there's a bottom to the market somewhere close at hand. Close as in "now"...not next December. Next, look to how aware things are to the masses. Is the economy on everyone's mind? Yes. Is everyone (including the taxi driver) talking about it?? Yes, again. Is there palpable fear in the market? Absolutely yes. Are there segments of the market that have been obliterated?  Yes, tech. Yes, Crypto.  The broader S&P/Dow...yes, but not the complete devastation.  Some definite carnage showing up there though.  Other factors? Supply chain is a mess. Shipping is a mess.  All good news for putting in a bottom.

The other BIG component of finding a bottom is to get control of your own natural emotions. It is emotionally hard as Hell to be the one standing calmly in the midst of everyone else running to the exits in panic. But think. It's the exact opposite of the euphoric state we saw last November.

So the big question is, "are we getting close to the bottom"?  Personally, I think it's within our view....not quite there but close enough to now be looking for good companies that have been beaten down by the total market effect, yet remain as good companies that continue to show growth.  You want to look for companies where the share price has been beaten down, but the company shows signs of resiliance in the midst of severe market headwinds.  It's a beautiful thing to find one of those companies, because it means you've found a company that has real strength.  It's really no different than us as humans.  Our true strength and resiliance is put on display in tough times, not easy times.  So if you find one of these companies, you have the potential for a very strong and lucrative updraft in several ways.  First, you get the overall market tailwind when it comes.  But more important, you get a company that was able thrive and survive in the tough times, come to absolutely flourish in better times. This of course boosts the share price tremendously. 

I think Bombardier fits this category well. In the midst of this very difficult market, the company is growing and definitely gaining strength. Their FCF is up, and up so much that they're paying off huge swaths of debt, ahead of time even. They are gaining notoriety and market share, shown via a strong order-book. But wait. They are doing all this in a tough market?? PERFECT!  As an investor, you've found what you're looking for.

People grumble about the share price.  Ok, I get it. Nobody likes to watch their portfolio value go down.  Speaking ruthlessly, this complaining just confirms that you missed seeing the top for what it was, and didn't act accordingly. (Sorry, but it's the ruthless truth) But at this point in the overall market, where there is a bottom somewhere out there not too far away, I would suggest it's prudent to stand back, assess where the broader market is, and recognize the opportunity that is there to pick up much cheaper shares, while everyone else is running around like chicken-little.  Do it up right, and you'll find that his is where the money..the big money...gets made.
Comment by raphaelle2 on Jul 02, 2022 2:31am
Thanks for this Very thoughtful and timely reflection Star. DOO and BBD both fit well this pattern IMO. ( and cover the full spectrum of " toys for adults").
Comment by Jd007gobbd on Jul 02, 2022 8:38am
That is a great assumption! I really hope it goes that way. Cheers 
Comment by bicente on Jul 02, 2022 8:59am
Unfortunately there were/are many "traders " who mistakenly believed that their skills were the reason why they made money in this past bull market ... I for one can tell you that I got extremely lucky with the overnight trade of GME , I could boast about all the " research " and graph studying that went into my well-planned , extremely profitable trade but the fact is , it was ...more  
Comment by Shamhorish on Jul 02, 2022 10:19am
it is all good and bbd looks good too but i think market expect much much much worth economic disaster *** more factories closer in europ, rumors says a lose of about 5 million jobs in europ in 2023 ** rumors says many many big and small bus will close in 2023
Comment by Starsearcher80 on Jul 02, 2022 1:41pm
i don't disagree with what you're saying.  But at the same time, what you're saying also supports my reasons for considering Bombardier. In this time of economic pain and turmoil, you want companies that are far more immune to any recessionary fears or impact.  Personally, I doubt those that are putting down a gazillion dollars on this class of private jets is feeling ...more  
Comment by Shamhorish on Jul 02, 2022 2:08pm
Starsearch80, Thanks i have to agree with you.. as you said "Bombardier is already showing quite amazing resiliance and strength in the midst of this turmoil.  That the share price is not refecting this currently, is where the opportunity is for the astute investor."" so the probability that they will pull through is there
Comment by bago on Jul 02, 2022 4:20pm
Im sure they will pull through. The question  is will shareholders see upside. They dont have a history of being shareholder friendly and that needs to change if they want some institutional investment. You now need 25% just  to get back to a dollar pre-split. They have dug a pretty big hole for shareholders. If it keeps bleeding here there is more to this story that this board is ...more  
Comment by clubhouse19 on Jul 02, 2022 7:40pm
For sure bago...you are the only one that will not see an upside you are so unlucky!!
Comment by bago on Jul 02, 2022 7:57pm
I'm actually very lucky. One of he few here that realized a profit with the bomber unlike so many that have been sitting on a losing investment for many years and some ma never even recover. Not sure why you are moaning and groaning and being so  bitter. Cheer up man life is short! Maybe you should average  down here and give yourself a chance to breakeven instead  of ...more  
Comment by clubhouse19 on Jul 02, 2022 8:26pm
What s clown...you have absolutely no comprehension or ability to decipher anything but what you see in front of. you. you are such a dud and so predictable.
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 02, 2022 9:28pm
I don't know what Club is doing, but I'm sick of AVERAGING down with this company. My position is now, that the investment that I gotta put in again is frustrating. I've avaraged down 3 times before the R/S and all three times this idiotic Family has done something to ruin the plan. I don't want to walk away with just a double or triple. I want 3 to 5 X what I put in. If the SP ...more  
Comment by bago on Jul 02, 2022 9:48pm
https://simplywall.st/stocks/ca/capital-goods/tsx-bbd.b/bombardier-shares/news/when-will-bombardier-inc-tsebbdb-become-profitable With the business potentially at an important milestone, we thought we'd take a closer look at Bombardier Inc.'s (TSE:BBD.B) future prospects. Bombardier Inc. engages in the manufacture and sale of business aircraft in Europe, North America, the ...more  
Comment by raphaelle2 on Jul 02, 2022 10:01pm
LOL...6 months old superficial review...Get real Bago! [/quote]
Comment by bago on Jul 02, 2022 10:10pm
Well how has it performed the last 6 months?  Were they profitable last quarter? The narrativre here it's recession proof, inflation proof.  interest rates going up doesn't matter, War is only a 6% hit on sales. I mean who is not real here. [/quote]
Comment by bago on Jul 02, 2022 9:56pm
They were profitalbe q2 2021 but then showed a loss in q3. Swung back to a profit in Q4 but then in Q1 back to a loss. The bomber is a speculative stock and that's what you see with the trading.  Lets see what Q2 looks like this year. 
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 03, 2022 1:07am
Bago, this is why I get upset with u. You put sh_it like this on the board and have no clue about what you're posting. That's why you should stick to day trading. Tell us about daily SP, and who is trading and why they're accumulating etc. Because you have no idea about reading the Bomber Statements. What the bellow brief article on Q1/21 is saying is simple. Q1,sometimes Q2 ...more  
Comment by bago on Jul 03, 2022 4:34pm
Your numbers are rough, very rough. I knew enough to sell at almost double the current share price, how about you? You call losses like 287 million in the first quarter SMALL yet losses in the losing quarters are much higher than quarters they show profit. Your projections are lofty like they were for the first quarter and when the numbers  did come in and I posted they were light on revenue ...more  
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 03, 2022 9:54pm
You don't get the concept. You're like a dog on a bone. That's why you have a picture of a dog for your identity. You see a loss for Q1/21 or Q1/2022, and you can't interpret it properly. I've made it as simple as I could for u. I can't make it any simpler. Short of banging my head against the wall, trying to get you to understand the concept. The Fiscal year consists of ...more  
Comment by clubhouse19 on Jul 03, 2022 12:43am
859   As I mentioned before the reverse split I did nothing but sell and keep  very little just in case they came up with somthing that went with it.  I bought and sold for some profits with those I traded after the split and back now with what I  had left before the split seeing nothing new. Nothing to write home about.  Doesn't mean nothing will happen
Comment by Athenia on Jul 03, 2022 3:13pm
What's happening to Bombardier stock probably has little to do with how the company is doing and everything to do with general investor sentiment.  By the way, how is real estate in your neck of the woods. In mine (BC), its a buyer's market.
Comment by Shamhorish on Jul 03, 2022 6:35pm
with rising interest rate at this pace real estate every where in canada may get  hit, yes, buyer market is coming specially after next 2 interest rate hikes