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Bombardier Inc. is focused on designing, manufacturing, and servicing business jets. The Company has a fleet of approximately 5,000 aircraft in service with a wide variety of multinational corporations, charter and fractional ownership providers, governments, and private individuals. The Company designs, develops, manufactures and markets two families of business jets (Challenger and Global... see more

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Bombardier Inc. > Desjardins Update
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Post by lighter789 on Jul 04, 2022 3:27pm

Desjardins Update

As usual from Desjardins, a very thoughtful opinion

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Bombardier Inc.      Rating: Buy,      Risk: Above-average, Target: C$80.00     
 
Investor call recap—fed up with waiting at the airport? Summer doesn’t look catastrophic on the bizjet side

The Desjardins Takeaway: Positive

Today, we hosted a virtual meeting with Bombardier Executive Vice-President & CFO Bart Demosky and
Vice-President, Financial Planning & Investor Relations Francis Richer de La Fleche, which provided an
excellent opportunity for an update on the business jet market environment.
 
Management’s recent actions to reduce debt have been very encouraging. BBD recently announced
that it will buy three series of its outstanding senior notes for a total of US$373m in cash, above
the initially planned amount of US$350m. Assuming US$373m at 7.50%, this represents US$28m of
additional interest savings per year—US$0.23 of EPS accretion on our 2023 numbers. Removing US
$373m of net debt in 2023, this would represent ~C$5/share of value creation on our C$80 target price
(our target is derived from a 9.25x EV/EBITDA multiple on our 2023 numbers).
 
Since the start of 2022, Bombardier has repaid more than US$750m of debt, resulting in almost US$60m
of incremental savings per year. This puts the company ahead of where it anticipated it would be after
18 months as a standalone bizjet business. We do not believe these actions will slow down anytime
soon as there is an extra US$400m in cash coming from Alstom on January 29, 2023; Mr Demosky also
indicated that the company is looking at additional avenues to speed up this process further.
In relation to the current state of the bizjet market, Mr Demosky stated that demand is still very strong,
with order activity this quarter similar to that in 1Q. He also noted that other metrics such as flight hours
for its fleet as well as pre-owned bizjet inventory are showing no signs of weakness (still growing yearover-
year). In terms of backlog quality, Bombardier is much better placed vs during the Great Financial
Crisis in 200809; it has the strongest backlog in its history and more than two years of production
for some models, providing high visibility. Management has been disciplined in terms of improving the
cash collection cycle, with every aircraft now having a sizeable upfront deposit on top of liquidated
damages for cancellations.
 
Despite strong fundamentals for the bizjet industry and the above-noted positive company
developments (eg debt repayment, five-year labour agreement, NCIB program), the stock is trading at
a ~40% discount vs peers (GD, TXT, ERJ and AM) on an EV/EBITDA FY1 basis, which is unjustified in our
view. We believe that management is well on track to meet or even exceed 2025 targets with its key
margin and revenue expansion strategic initiatives.
JUNE 30, 2022
Comment by clubhouse19 on Jul 04, 2022 3:52pm
Thanks for this This is a very interesting excerpt that I noticed... BBDB859 was also interested in this as I remember "This puts the company ahead of where it anticipated it would be after 18 months as a standalone bizjet business. We do not believe these actions will slow down anytime soon as there is an extra US$400m in cash coming from Alstom on January 29, 2023; Mr Demosky "  ...more  
Comment by Bottoms on Jul 04, 2022 4:07pm
Odd that this analyst confirms the $400M is coming in in January 2023 when we haven't heard of winning this dispute bt bombardier directly. I assume $400M is a material amount that would require a mandatory disclosure.. Is the analysis in error, overly assertive or the win is still very recent? Strong analysis in any case. Nice to see the (not so professional) pros reflect what most of us see ...more  
Comment by Starsearcher80 on Jul 04, 2022 4:37pm
VERY intersting and encourging that the Analyst provides confirmation of the $400M payment.  Making it even more compelling that it is in fact substantiated, is that there is a specific date attached to the payment.
Comment by Lukegermany on Jul 04, 2022 4:51pm
must the bomber communicate such an agreement? I Canterbury believe that they will gegen the money and Not Tell US.. this would be a boost for the SP..
Comment by Bottoms on Jul 04, 2022 5:44pm
Perhaps I'm wrong but my understanding was that this amount was under dispute. Should a resolution to the dispute have been reached resulting in a material impact of $400M, I believe the disclosure of such an event has to take place within 10 days for companies traded on the TSX. I don't think this is something they can avoid.
Comment by clubhouse19 on Jul 04, 2022 6:13pm
Bottoms I am with you on this as I mentioned in my post, this amount was or is under dispute and if concluded one way or the other should be treated as a material event. I have sent Richer an email on this and asking to clarify one way or the other. He was part of the virtual meeting, so it would be from first hand knowledg e!
Comment by MyNameIsNobody on Jul 04, 2022 6:31pm
Club - I wrote to Francis too. Hope we'll get an answer soon...and the same type of answer..lol
Comment by Bottoms on Jul 04, 2022 6:51pm
Thanks for all your replies. Hopefully you get a positive confirmation soon. This can be quite helpful to the SP IMO. I checked the Alstom news to see if anything was listed there. There seems to have been some completion of transfer of Bombardier acquired technology on July 1st so perhaps there is some link to the $400M being released but definitely no clear disclosure yet. Fingers crossed..
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 05, 2022 12:18am
It maybe announced at the Q2/Financials.
Comment by clubhouse19 on Jul 04, 2022 8:26pm
Myname Got the reply and so simple as Benot put it. No further disclosures are needed as the 350 mil euros or 499 mil US has to do with indemnity guarantees held but to be released in Jan after the 2 year expiration in Jan. The other 400 million are still in dispute and may take a very long time to resolve.
Comment by clubhouse19 on Jul 04, 2022 8:30pm
Shud have said [not] so simple
Comment by MyNameIsNobody on Jul 04, 2022 10:31pm
Cool..so it's a known thing that most people kind of forgot about. Too far away when things were signed back then.
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 05, 2022 12:28am
Ok we didn't get the whole chocolate bar yet. But we got a Hershy's kiss.
Comment by clubhouse19 on Jul 04, 2022 8:28pm
Myname Got the reply and so simple as Benot put it. No further disclosures are needed as the 350 mil euros or 499 mil US has to do with indemnity guarantees held but to be released in Jan after the 2 year expiration in Jan. The other 400 million are still in dispute and may take a very long time to resolve.
Comment by Starsearcher80 on Jul 04, 2022 10:01pm
Well in a strange way, this is even better! Maybe it's just me, but I had forgotten about the $499M to be released in January, so it feels like found money.  Even more so because I was already happy with Bombardier's debt repayment progress, and this "found money" will move things along even faster still. Nothing like a slightly faulty memory to make you feel good! 
Comment by Shamhorish on Jul 04, 2022 10:26pm
IMO,  LET US NOT get too excited AS IDO NOT TRUST ALSTOM, they may come up with X  , Y,  Z  to delay or try not pay those " the $499M that are supposed to be released in January02023, let us celebrate when they are released
Comment by Starsearcher80 on Jul 04, 2022 10:32pm
Hmm, I don't think for a moment that this particular point comes down to an issue of trust. It is a point fully agreed upon and undisputed.
Comment by Shamhorish on Jul 04, 2022 10:38pm
agree, :It is a point fully agreed upon and undisputed." yes, undisputed yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but again, imo, i do not trust Alstom,  i hope i am wrong
Comment by raphaelle2 on Jul 05, 2022 12:01am
I am a little surprised that this half B $ was not mentionned during Q4 2021 and Q1 2022 review. Still should be recorded in the books somewhere. Why choose to mention it now ??
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 05, 2022 12:40am
They did mention it Ralph. It was in the wording of one of the Quarters of the statements.They held roughly $400M from the Reserves for calateral. But they didn't say why specifically. They said something in regards to the BT dispute, if I remember correctly.
Comment by firstworld on Jul 05, 2022 12:53am
Probably a court ordered Bond. That money is tied up for at least ten years while the huge fraud gets settled in several rounds of judgments.
Comment by Shamhorish on Jul 04, 2022 6:44pm
Bottoms, you are abolutly right  about """ Odd that this analyst confirms the $400M is coming in in January 2023 when we haven't heard of winning this dispute bt bombardier directly."" bbd did mention any thing about it
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 05, 2022 12:12am
Hey Bottoms I think if you read the same sentence closely? It didn't come from the Desjardins guys. It came from Bart D. It loses something in the translation. Just saying that a Bank wouldn't put in print something like this out on a whim. Especially as a corrot for their clients. They would get sued on such a blunder, because people rely on their Banks, to guide them truthfully. Cheers
Comment by Bottoms on Jul 05, 2022 2:44am
Thanks 859. I re-read and it's still not clear to me who's speaking but you are likely right as the next sentence says that Bart "also said". The part that is most confusing to me is the mention of a $400M cash inflow that is explained to refer to an amount of 350M Euros in escrow. I would expect Bart to have said 350M Euros there and not throw the $400M figure in the loop ...more  
Comment by clubhouse19 on Jul 05, 2022 8:27am
Richer explained that Benoit of Desjardins mentioned the 500 million as it equates to 360 mil euros at the time.  Since the transaction was in US dollars and since the deline of the Euro..You would have to think that to get to 440 mil us mire euros would have to be forked over. Last count 1 us $ was about 1.05 euros nearing parity will Have yo see I quess 
Comment by Bottoms on Jul 05, 2022 8:38am
You're absolutely right. I used the wrong conversion rate in my thinking. Thanks for the info and for clarifying.
Comment by clubhouse19 on Jul 05, 2022 9:55am
Fat finger  Those numbers should read 400 million us equating to 350 million euros at the time and since then, since euro and US $ are near par or close to 1.05 US to 1 euro, I would think it would cost Alstom more to reach 400 mil US Sorry for the fat finger
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 05, 2022 10:05am
Hey Bottoms. I had the same reservation on the cash discrepancy, when Nobody posted Francis's email explanation on here, to clarify the Desjardins evaluation. I think we'll get clarity in the Q2/22 Financial Call. We can't be speculating on something that we don't have clarity on. The good thing is that the frozen sum of $400M is useable for now. Cheers
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 05, 2022 12:01am
Thanks Club. I was just reading about the Desjardins review by the poster Lighter 789, when I noticed that Alstom agreed to give us the Full $400M that they held back on the closing of the BT deal in Jan.2021. Maybe it was just a ploy from Alstom and they were short $400M on closing, so they bought some time to pay it back??? Funny enough we got the full $400M of the money held back & it' ...more  
Comment by bago on Jul 05, 2022 12:36am
This money mentioned in this article i s not the money being argued about in the courts. Amazing someone who claims all this knowledge doesn't know that. This is not news or something the market didn't know. Shareholder value has been destroyed and here you guys are here daily cheerleading lol. The stock needs 30% just to get back to a dollar pre-split. All this posting and pumping ...more  
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 05, 2022 1:20am
Bago. Here you go again. To be fair to me. I read the posts from the earliest to the latest posts. And I respond as I read them, so I can follow the treads. So I don't know what you're trying to prove to the Board about my knowledge. But the reply from Francis to Nobody came after I posted the first post here. Look, check for yourself, on my posting sequence. In fact the first post that I ...more  
Comment by bago on Jul 05, 2022 8:29am
First off I am not  day trader and i am a long term investor so why do you make these comments that bings no information or anything that matters.  Sorry you had nothing to learn from my post when I warned from what i was seeing that the bomber was dead money months ago and didn't like the trading action and the market environment was weak. You thought bomber turned a profit in 2021 ...more  
Comment by BBDB859 on Jul 05, 2022 9:54am
No comment. You just wanna rope me in to another one of your "who's is bigger" contests again. Participate or not is your choice.
Comment by clubhouse19 on Jul 05, 2022 10:12am
 Were not you the one that saw better opportunity elsewhere a couple of months back, sold everything and now comes back here as a long term investo?  Then you buy back only to get another whining allowance ticket...Must be a clone of Loser11
Comment by Truthifest on Jul 05, 2022 10:31am
lighter789, thx for the post re Desjardins update.  Unfortunately, the analysts are behind the curve on macro's effect on the stk price.  Bomber developments are fine, but that's not where the action is---it's in investors' avoidance of highly indebted, cyclical, micro-cap names. Bomber happens to be in all three categories.  
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