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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Chemtrade Logistics Income 6 50 Convertible Unsecured Subordinated Debentures T.CHE.DB.F


Primary Symbol: T.CHE.DB.E Alternate Symbol(s):  CGIFF | T.CHE.DB.G | T.CHE.DB.H | T.CHE.UN

Chemtrade Logistics Income Fund is a Canada-based company that operates a diversified business providing industrial chemicals and services to customers in North America and around the world. The Company's segments include Sulphur and Water Chemicals (SWC), and Electrochemicals (EC). SWC segment markets, removes and/or produces merchant, Regen and sulphuric acid, sodium hydrosulphite, elemental... see more

TSX:CHE.DB.E - Post Discussion

Post by incomedreamer11 on Jun 27, 2022 8:37am

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(Relatively) Recession Resilient - Upgrading to Outperform

OUR TAKE: Positive. We have upgraded CHE to Outperform, as we believe the business model can outperform its basic chemical peers through a recession, at least on a relative basis. Our revised PT moves to $10.25 from $9.50.

Inside Our Note

  1. In an elevated global energy complex, refinery utilization rates are strong, which bodes well for regen acid demand.
  2. NA ultra-pure acid demand should soar over the mid-term, driven by growth of U.S. semiconductor capacity.
  3. Caustic soda should remain tight N/T, due to: (1) technical issues in the U.S.; (2) soaring EU electricity costs; and (3) some demand recovery in China. Spot caustic is much higher than CHE’s guide of $575/mt.
  4. CHE’s water chemical business has fairly stable/predictable margins through macro volatility, even if the recent spike in sulphur prices will dent near-term margins temporarily.
  5. On a relative basis, CHE’s through-cycle margins are much more stable than its basic chem peers.
  6. CHE has cleaned up its B/S, which could see multiple expansion over time, although this is not part of our thesis. Leverage now stands at 3.5x vs. 5.9x previously.
  7. At 7.8%, CHE offers the second-highest yield in Materials. We think this is well-supported with a LTM payout of <50%.

We like the initiatives senior leadership has taken recently to improve its controllables. While the clean-up of the portfolio and the balance sheet should be rewarded through a slightly higher mid-cycle multiple (5-Yr at 7.2x), we’re certainly not counting on it. We see ‘23 EBITDA at ~$300M, which is in line with our assessment of mid-cycle earnings. So, at a mid-cycle multiple of 7.2x (assuming no re-rating), CHE could exceed $12/unit. That said, we need to walk before we can run. For now, we’re looking for a conservative 6.5x on ‘23 EBITDA of $305M, which lands us at $10.25.

While waiting for (relative) outperformance, investors can enjoy a nearly-8% yield, well-supported by a rolling four-quarter payout ratio that shouldn’t exceed 60% through ‘23. Buy Chemtrade.1. Robust Regen Acid Demand

Demand for regen acid services should increase over the coming quarters, as an elevated global energy complex appears to be sustainable for now, despite increased macro risk to the downside. This, coupled with exceptionally high cracks, should lead to refinery utilization rates averaging new highs over the past few years. Chemtrade processes or regenerates spent sulphuric acid (i.e., containing water + hydrocarbon impurities) by burning it a higher temperature with sulphur to create fresh sulphuric acid. The company’s supply of spent sulphuric acid relies on demand for alkylates, which is used to adjust gasoline octane levels for fuel efficiency targets to be met. In other words, as post-COVID gasoline demand improves, so too will demand for regen acid. Chemtrade’s regen acid services are typically supported by long-term contracts, where indexed pricing formulas essentially translates into cost-plus type margins. In other words, as regen acid service margins are fairly stable/predictable, we’re more interested in near-term volume growth.2. Ultra-Pure Acid Demand Should Soar

We believe ultrapure sulphuric acid demand is set to soar in North America over the mid-term. Ultrapure acid is mainly used in the production of semi-conductors, to etch and clean silicone wafers, as well as in the production of specialty batteries. Many industry observers believe the global semi-conductor industry is poised for a decade of growth. Why? Supply shortages led to bottlenecks in the production of everything from cars to computers to dishwashers. In other words, the absence of a single chip, often worth less than $1, can prevent the sale of equipment worth tens of thousands of dollars. Deloitte estimates this issue cost global auto sales about $210B in ‘21 alone. According to a McKinsey study, megatrends such as remote working, the growth of AI, demand for EVs, as well as a growing theme of domestic supply security, should push the global semi-conductor industry to over $1T in sales by ‘30, up from $600B this year.

For Chemtrade, what we really care about is the start-up of semiconductor chip fabrication plants in North America. Looking ahead, we’re aware of Intel, TSMC, Samsung, as well as other global companies all planning to build semiconductor chip fabrication plants in the U.S. They are all competing for up to $52B in U.S. government subsidies.

Chemtrade is North America’s leading producer of ultrapure acid. Given the rigorous process used to qualify product, customers do not frequently change suppliers. That said, CHE did lose a key ultrapure customer, alth

6. Portfolio / Balance Sheet Clean-Up

Chemtrade has proactively cleaned-up both its portfolio and balance sheet, which we think could result in slight multiple expansion over time. Initiatives include the sale of its non-core specialty chemical business, the $10M sale of an idled facility in Augusta, Georgia, as well as the closure of a chlorate plant in Quebec, due to slower post-COVID demand growth.

Finally, CHE is now considering a sale and leaseback transaction for its North Vancouver facility, which provides the company with all of its North American chlor-alkali production. Part of the property is owned by CHE and part is leased from Vancouver Fraser Port Authority. The lease terminates in 2032, and at that time, the Port has the right to exercise an option to purchase the part of the land CHE owns, and has communicated its intention to do so. Also, in 2030, the lease restricts CHE from using the leased part of the property for chlorine. The parties are currently discussing options.

Based on our analysis, we believe CHE could receive at, or slightly below, the low-end of a $5M to $7M/acre range for its 40 acre property. Properties used for specialized manufacturing purposes tend to go for a discount vs. those used for warehouse/distribution purposes. This would peg the opportunity and somewhere in the range of $170M to $200M, although it’s only an approximation.

ough has since replaced the bulk of the lost volumes in early ‘21.

Comment by GregC24 on Jun 27, 2022 9:48am
How is that possible?  Kherson said that the Q1 guidance had already accounted for the current caustic soda price?     Was he lying?  Uninformed?  Or both?
Comment by Kherson on Jun 27, 2022 12:47pm
Greg, you really need to educate yourself on the difference between spot prices for Caustic and long term contracts for Caustic! The following is a good exercise for you and your minions, what percentage of Chemtrade's caustic sales are under long term contracts?  Just maybe Chemtrade is planning on yet another Equity or Debenture Issue (it's been over 6 months) and a little positive ...more  
Comment by carp1104 on Jun 27, 2022 2:17pm
Volume 504,466 at 2.15pm says that you live in a life of fiction and lies and the real word lives in facts !!
Comment by carp1104 on Jun 27, 2022 5:08pm
US Producer Price Index: Chemicals and Allied Products: Sulfuric Acid is at a current level of 304.35, up from 263.32 last month and up from 187.00 one year ago. This is a change of 15.58% from last month and 62.75% from one year ago. Yes I know sulphuric acid is sold under contracts and that caustic soda is usually not
Comment by GregC24 on Jun 28, 2022 4:40am
I have minions?  Cool!
Comment by GregC24 on Jun 28, 2022 8:29am
Let's examine this.  One would assume that the CEO of Chemtrade knows if the spot price impacts what Chemtrade makes from quarter to quarter. Q1 2020 Conference call:  For the co-product caustic soda, we had assumed that the NE Asia spot index for caustic soda, which is a key determinant of our pricing, would be flat for the first half of 2020 from where it ended in 2019 and ...more  
Comment by Brad329 on Jun 28, 2022 10:51am
great post
Comment by Yaggaya on Jul 04, 2022 8:31am
Absolutely beautiful post Greg. I rarely ever feel the need to post anything. But reading Kherson garbage takes is just so tiresome that I had to say thanks for proving that nothing he says shoukd ever be consider of value or true. Unfortunately Who ever Kherson is (he or she ) they seem to be the last person who would ever see fault in there ways let alone make postive changes and grow from said ...more  
Comment by GregC24 on Jul 05, 2022 9:47am
Thanks.  But don't dismiss everything Kherson says.  He is a valuable foil to the mainly positive posts everyone wants to see.  He was very correct that the share price would drop from the low teens, even prior to covid.  There were problems with the company.  His posts should make you think, even if it is just to reaifrm whatever your own position may be.
Comment by Kherson on Aug 17, 2022 4:34pm
Now we know why the Pump Gang was so active 8 weeks ago. As I said before, the N. Vancouver land sale is off the table... Too funny! Kherson
Comment by carp1104 on Aug 17, 2022 5:56pm
You really are a very small and bitter person . You still have not said how much you have lost on Chemtrade.? Many other people  and myself could tell you about the many, many thousands of dollars we have made on Chemtrade and continue to make from the dividends but you would only call us liers.  ( we are the happy ones and you are the bitter one so guess who is making money) .  ...more  
Comment by Kherson on Aug 17, 2022 11:49pm
I have never owned a single unit in Chemtrade. My interest began when I learned that Chemtrade bought Canexus, which actually had a book value of zero.  The closer I looked at the Canexus deal, the more I realized that the deal was done only to line the pockets of the management at Chemtrade. Kherson
Comment by carp1104 on Aug 18, 2022 12:27am
I dont think you have ever looked closely at any company especially Chemtrade . How long ago was that Camexus deal ? and if you did not own any shares why are you so bitter?. I think you are hiding the truth about ownership if not then you must have some mental health problem. Can you explain why then all of this time you keep trying to run down Chemtrade and the people who own the shares?  ...more  
Comment by GregC24 on Aug 18, 2022 10:15am
Please don't stoop to questioning people's mental health.  Keep it classy.  Stop trying to "win the internet".    I value your posts.
Comment by carp1104 on Aug 18, 2022 11:35am
Hello GregC24      I said in my post if the person has mental health problems I would say sorry. I for the life of me was amazed that kherson said that he or she has" never owned a single unit of Chemtrade" ? So I understand you defending any attack on a persons health and say "Sorry" to all posters for my remark.   I should have stopped posting on ...more  
Comment by diceslinger on Aug 18, 2022 10:21pm
Too bad, typical stock house...good posters driven away by the fringe element.
Comment by JTPloughs on Aug 18, 2022 12:00pm
Thumbs up Greg, no need for people to be abusive on this platform
Comment by Jtpatrol1 on Aug 30, 2022 1:13pm
Comment by carp1104 on Aug 30, 2022 3:44pm
Hi jtpatrol1 I guess you didn't like my little story ?  If you want to keep listening to fools and idiots about real and factual news on your investments then give people like me a break!!. Might I suggest that you and the person  in my story move to facebook so you can live in fantasy land together.      So I will no longer apologise for pointing out the facts that ...more  
Comment by Karren411 on Aug 30, 2022 3:48pm
Well said Greg, sad that this site allows people to insult and make fun of others.
Comment by carp1104 on Aug 30, 2022 3:57pm
Wondering what is a Karen ?    Not the best name is it ?                  Keep defending your friend is only making you look foolish "Karen"
Comment by Larrymartin77 on Aug 30, 2022 3:59pm
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Comment by GassXX on Aug 30, 2022 4:11pm
Comment by carp1104 on Aug 17, 2022 9:49pm
Do you rember making fun of me for guessing that Chemtrade would be $9.00 before the 2nd quarter release ( I missed by 1 day) and hit it $9.18 . I work on facts and you are still a fool. I would like to make another guess on the share price moving forward but this time I will ask you to give us your informed guess at to what that price will be for 1 day after the third quarter results. and then I ...more  
Comment by Kherson on Sep 01, 2022 10:22am
How is that $9 bucks a unit projection holding out? We all know that Chemtrade's unit price was pumped only so that they could issue more equity! Curious as to how the North Vancouver sale is coming along? lol... It is pretty obvious that Carp1104 is being paid to pump Chemtrade. Kherson
Comment by carp1104 on Sep 01, 2022 11:28am
Just bought  more   average cost now $4.78 . that puts me up approx $55,000 at todays price !! Plus dividends !! You don't even own any shares you idiot . I do not have to pump a stock  when i only post facts..    So please explain why you care if I make money ? What keeps someone posting negative news ? .        
Comment by Kherson on Sep 01, 2022 4:53pm
Actually fool, you also do not own any shares, as Chemtrade's equity is in the form of Units and they pay a Distribution! Too funny... Kherson
Comment by GregC24 on Sep 02, 2022 9:19am
If that's your rebuttle it couldn't be much weaker.   It's not like he was on here proclaiming the spot price for caustic means nothing to the results for Chemtrade when the CEO talks about it in every conference call...who was that...hmmmm...oh right...that was you.
Comment by carp1104 on Sep 02, 2022 12:38pm
Well I guess all those profits in my trading account are not real ?. I just called the bank and they said you were right and all my dreams have turned into a nightmare!! Oh my god what an I going to do ? !!     Do you thing kherson would give me some of his profits? ( Oh i forget the idiot doesnt own any)             Ps I have ...more  
Comment by Kherson on Sep 23, 2022 10:55am
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