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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Dream Office Real Estate Investment Trust T.D.UN

Alternate Symbol(s):  DRETF

Dream Office Real Estate Investment Trust (the Trust) is an open-ended real estate investment trust. The Trust owns central business district office properties in various urban centers across Canada, with a focus on downtown Toronto. The Trust owns and manages 3.5 million square feet of office land in downtown Toronto. Its objectives include managing its business and assets to provide both... see more

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Post by SNAKEYBOY on Sep 08, 2023 6:15pm

SOMETHING SMELLS

Reits typically don't underperform by 3 to 4x on no news  something smells. We got a portfolio of 20 yonge street buildings,  the most popular district in canada,  trading as if it's just mortgage value
Comment by hroark7 on Sep 08, 2023 6:30pm
This recent Seeking Alpha article was pretty damning. The renewals coming up are huge and scary. I don't own D but if I was stupid and did, I would have sold after reading this: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4633051-dream-office-dividend-cut-necessary-to-preserve-value
Comment by SNAKEYBOY on Sep 08, 2023 6:55pm
That's crazy  they have 12.5m shares they no longer need to pay dividends on. 
Comment by Frankie10 on Sep 08, 2023 10:49pm
let's be respectful. It's hard to critisize someone buying here with nearly a 7% implied cap rate on a portfolio of mostly downtown Toronto core... being bearish on Toronto is one thing (sure), being bearish on office is also fair... but investors here are essentially buying land in the downtown core Toronto... I've noted the negative cash flow for quite some time. These are quality ...more  
Comment by EstevanOutsider on Sep 08, 2023 7:24pm
Dream Office portfolio is trading at $293 per square foot on average. In Jan 2023 they sold 720 Bay Street to Alexandria for $560 psf. I added today as I consider the valuation distressed, not on a multiple basis like the dumb analysts use but a liquidation basis. Cooper needs to liquidate some assets and sell the DIR securities to run another SIB. The NAV disconnect is ridiculous at $36. Even if ...more  
Comment by SNAKEYBOY on Sep 08, 2023 7:28pm
Cooper talks bearish about tough office and illiquid market but I still feel like some of the assets are so well located that there WILL be buyers...maybe might bid a tad lower than full NAV.  So you sell 3 buildings and DIR and that can address debt and the 200m non public float...in a big way
Comment by EstevanOutsider on Sep 08, 2023 7:53pm
lol. he's trading at a third of his internal NAV. cooper could sell assets at 30% off and buyers from here would still see massive upside. maybe brookfield would buy the entire portfolio. doesn't sound like cooper wants to sell. they'll sell if they get good unsolicicated bids as they did with 720 bay street. no need to sell into a bear market at cyclical lows. dream office portfolio ...more  
Comment by Reece1986b on Sep 08, 2023 8:38pm
I don't understand Cooper. If he wants to profitably exit his Dream Office position, why not try to find buyers for Toronto office properties even if they are considerably below NAV? Why not explore selling the REIT in its entirety? Cooper thought a $15.50 SIB was worth tendering his entire position - might there be a buyer for the REIT at $15.50 = half NAV? If Cooper does wish to keep the ...more  
Comment by BlueJay2020 on Sep 08, 2023 8:50pm
Good man!  I would have aded more today but I already have a full position.  Mind you, if Monday is a repeat of today, I will add more for sure.  I'm now 15 percent and $13k down but still think this will turn me a profit at some point.
Comment by Frankie10 on Sep 08, 2023 10:52pm
Agree on a lot of points. I bought today. Position is larger than I would like, but still a small portion in my levered real estate portfolio (less than 10%).   
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