RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Totally OTYou are very easy to judge, I was merely making a point about historic accuracy and I wanted to point out that violence is not the answer.
Have to say that uou are the only one one this forum that targets "white" and "old" people and obviously have an issue with both.
It seems you really don't like "white". Did anyone call you "non-white"?
On a second thought ... That's OK. It's OK for you to stereotype people and categorize them by race and/or age. No sledgehammers though would you? Please and thank you.
I was addressing the "non-white" and "not-old-enough" guy only. Appologies to the rest.
Quintessential1 wrote: "I don't see myself taking down statues using sledgehammers for the harm done to my family few generations back, What would that make me?" For some of these people it was their children and siblings found in the mass graves. It is not ancient history.
You old white dudes should stick to discussing enbridge as you can't seem to empathize with anything you don't have an obvious and immediate connection to.
silkos wrote: If you look back ... there is not one "Great Nation" or "Great Economy" that did not get where they are today unless byraising war (read war attrocities), decimating their enemies (the young ones, their culture), colonies and slavery at some point. Dare you to name one country!
Canada is a new country, and countries need leaders. Canadians should not be ashamed by their short history, we should embrace it and look forward. The elite at the time made decisions for their Canada. Now we live in a different Canada, and we should not ignore nor erase our past, as good and bad decisions and policies were created under each prime minister. Easier to say when you are not a direct victim though. There is no other way to move forward. One thing is for sure: you cannot change the past, you can change yourself though. Moreover, you can educate and change your own kids perception about the world so that they don't carry the hate in their hearts.
I don't see myself taking down statues using sledgehammers for the harm done to my family few generations back, What would that make me?
NPCexe wrote: There is certainly nothing wrong to talk about the history of some injustice or other that once was. The problem is that they extrapolate those past injustices to the present, as if there is somehow your fault for what gets unearthed, and we are all contributing to this injustice knowingly, thus creating an unwarranted guilt. Once they have you feeling guilty, they can ask and do anything. Deep down they know it's stupid and irrelevant to you, but that's the best shot they have to acquire the positions needed to destroy this country. Think about how dumb it would be if they unearth a mass grave of Afican slaves in Egypt from the times of the Pharaohs, and trying to blame the present Egyptians for these injustices. You would think these people were clowns, but nope! Not in Canada XD
Fantome wrote: NPCexe wrote: These communists don't care about your outrage. They seek to destroy culture and replace the ashes the way they see fit. We can lament all day, but they really don't care nor will they stop their nonsense claims that Canada has a few skeletons in their closets. Compared to the far worse atrocities committed in the present - let alone past - of other countries, this is a giant nothingburger. Us immigrants came to Canada for precisely that reason, so when we see this feigned outrage over nothing, it makes us yawn. Try living in a third world country for a change.
Fantome wrote: I watched on the evening news where they were moving Sir John A's statue in Kingston to a cemetery from its prominent location where it stood for 120 years and people are now demanding that Canada Day be cancelled due to the discovery at the residential school in BC.
As many of you know from my posts...I love history and feel that it is very important. I also have in my life had meetings in previous residential schools on Indian Reservations. I have also witnessed first hand racial comments by ranchers in the interior of BC about Indians. The list goes on.
That said....the history of the world has been one of conquest and oppression by a dominant society over another since time began. Society and its view of what is wrong and what is right changes over time...but usually what happened at that particular time was considered OK by the social norms of that time. The movement now of the so-called "cancel society"...to judge past actions by today's standards...IMO this is totally inappropriate.
If this measure was carried to its logical conclusion then we should basically cancel and erase all of our history which is more than 5-10 years old....and then in another 50 years they will cancel what we did today.....the sad thing about this movement is summed up quite nicely by advice I got from my Father many decades ago when I was a child..."I you want to understand what is going on today...you need to understand how we got to today"....the cancel society..if successful will erase that wisdom!!!!
What people did before us may well be bad by today's standards....BUT..it is part of our history and how we got to where are today....
Canada has a dark underbelly in terms of its history regarding Aboriginal peoples and as a student of history...I do believe that that story needs to be told and taught in schools since it is part of the history of this country.
Does that mean tearing down statues of Sir John A or Ryerson?
Absolutely not!!!
Your comment about living in a third world country is a good one. My first cousin (female)....lived in Saudi Arabia for decades and raised her children there as her husband was an Executive with the Saudi oil company. She lived in a compound for all those years...when her children were born she went to Europe for their birth. She suffered all kinds of discrimination for not being Arab and even more so because she was a woman...by way of example she had to stay in the compound (like a jail) and was forbidden to drive a car....if it wasn't for "fringe benefits" from the oil company she would not have been allowed to have her daughters educated in school. When I see people from the Middle East condeming our society....I see hypocrites...like you.....they came here to escape persecution and discrimination....what they left was much worse than anything we have here today or for that matter what our ancestors may have done in the past!!!