JimI remember years ago when Red first started to post on this board you said he was the kind of guy that most likley has a lot of dandruff and another guy posted why dont you give him some head & shoulders and your response was how do you give shoulders whats up with that ?it might be a good idea if me you & Fartman stay off the board till the first of the year the ball is in your hands no pun intended Wally