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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum BetaPro Crude Oil Leveraged Daily Bull ETF T.HOU

Alternate Symbol(s):  HZOZF | HROZF

HOU¿s investment objective is to seek daily investment results, before fees, expenses, distributions, brokerage commissions and other transaction costs, that endeavour to correspond to up to two times (200%) the daily performance of the Horizons Crude Oil Rolling Futures Index. HOU is denominated in Canadian dollars.

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Post by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 9:49am

**Scorecard**

Lets keep a scorecard thread going.  Please use quote instead of reply so as others update we can see the history and use it to evaluate.


JUNE OIL - +22.86%

JULY OIL - +9.04%

HOU - +4.94%
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 9:50am
Sorry forgot TIME 9:45am April 23
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 10:16am
10:15am April 23 JUNE OIL - +23.95% JULY OIL - +9.33% HOU - +6.79%
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 10:28am
Forget 2X, Forget 1X, Try -.28X
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 11:02am
11:00am April 23 OIL - +28.8% JULY - +11.65% HOU - -1.23% NOT 2X, NOT 1X BUT -110%X SORRY FOR THOSE WHO STILL BELIEVED, I DIDN'T WANT TO BE RIGHT.... WHERE'S THE POSTER THAT SAID "WAIT TILL NOON" ??
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 11:31am
11:30am April 23 OIL - +31.71% JULY - +11.7% HOU - 3.7% NAV = 0.57 PREMIUM = 0.99
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 12:07pm
12:05PM April 23 OIL - +29.10% JULY - +10.78% HOU - -11.11% NAV = $0.565 PREMIUM = $0.875 SPREAD IS CLOSING!!
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 1:27pm
1:30pm April 23 OIL - +23.22% JULY - +6.72% HOU - -21% NAV - $0.544 PREMIUM - $0.736 OIL COMING OFF HIGHS OF THE DAY, PREMIUM CLOSING GAP EVEN MORE...
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 2:00pm
2:00pm April 23 OIL - +19.45% JULY - +4.98% HOU - -22.22% NAV - $0.535 PREMIUM - $0.745 PRICE JULY NEEDS TO BE FOR NAV = PREMIUM = $52.18
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 4:03pm
4:00 APRIL 23 OIL - +23.66% JULY - +6.91% HOU - -19.14% NAV - $0.53 (@ 2:30) PREMIUM - $0.78 As expected, HOU moved on trading bias not underlying assets, Oil moved up, HOU moved down and the Premium got tighter!
Comment by RazorInvestor01 on Apr 23, 2020 1:39pm
Based on the low @ $1.26 today, WTI July would need to be $36.04 or up 74% in one day to justify the price. Looking at a few day projection WTI July would need to grow by 7.7% every day for 5 days (ending at ~$33) for things to be fully rebalanced at today's low. Having said that I believe there should always be a premium for offering smaller investors the opportunity to play WTI - not at 100 ...more  
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 1:44pm
$49.94 is where July would need to be for HOU NAV to be at premium
Comment by RazorInvestor01 on Apr 23, 2020 1:49pm
Just curious as to how you get that number July WTI - $20.71 - Apr 22 close x74% = $36.04 HOU NAV $0.51 - Ap 22 close x 148% = $1.26 (Current price)
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 1:52pm
Your close, but HOU is only 1X now not 2X
Comment by RazorInvestor01 on Apr 23, 2020 2:02pm
Thank you! I'm glad I got out - a big piece of news to miss! Also pretty annoying, they effectly let everyone take the downward loss at 2x, but half the upward gain once things re-balance.
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 2:04pm
Very annoying indeed. But in the end it saved the etf and for those that were in, a god send. For those like me who lost and were hoping to re-enter, suck-a-doodles...
Comment by goldsucks on Apr 23, 2020 2:09pm
So HOU is set to consolidate 20:1 on April 28, if it resets to proper NAV before than and than consolidates , I assume if oil settles it's crazy swings it would be safe to get in again.....and hopefully recover some losses.....
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 2:10pm
That, and if they go back to 2X and open up subscriptions again...
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 2:12pm
Actually, I'd still go in at 1X but subscriptions are a MUST, otherwise trading bias trumps NAV performance...
Comment by Elviswong1 on Apr 23, 2020 2:15pm
John Kilduff, founding partner at New York energy hedge fund Again Capital, concurred with that view. He said production cuts of 9.7 million barrels per day planned by global oil producers like the United States, Saudi Arabia and Russia fell woefully short of demand loss projected at up to 30 million barrels daily. “In my opinion, the June WTI contract will repeat what May did,” Kilduff said.  ...more  
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 2:21pm
Can't play it. HOD/HOU hold Julys...
Comment by goldsucks on Apr 23, 2020 2:28pm
1:20 quite a consolidation......must be expecting big drop after it's all done. Reading some of yesterdays news not sure if I would want to risk my $$$$ putting into this. Might be better to try make up losses somewhere else........
Comment by Canucks7717 on Apr 23, 2020 2:35pm
I agree, I am trying to make up the losses playing HOU & HNU
Comment by Canucks7717 on Apr 23, 2020 2:36pm
HEU** sorry
Comment by timetolearn on Apr 23, 2020 2:36pm
depends on how aggregsive and frequent one wants to be trading this. I personally dont mind it being 1X and will go back in if these other 2 conditions are met as well. Condition 1: The curve has to be flatter and not big contango like now, otherwise just keep losing monthly on the roll and erode any profit when crude rallies Condition 2: I accept there will be a small prem to NAV potentially ...more  
Comment by RazorInvestor01 on Apr 23, 2020 2:09pm
Great perspective, and yes it saved the ETF - I, like you, am one of those who lost and am hoping to re-enter when NAV gets closer to the SP. I see this as the purest play to invest in the commodity, and feel like it has decent medium term potential, especially if things start up again sooner rather than later. 
Comment by Mat1791 on Apr 23, 2020 2:11pm
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