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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Nuvista Energy Ltd T.NVA

Alternate Symbol(s):  NUVSF

NuVista Energy Ltd. is an oil and natural gas company, which is engaged in the exploration for, and the development and production of, oil and natural gas reserves in the Western Canadian Sedimentary Basin. Its primary focus is on the scalable and repeatable condensate rich Montney formation in the Alberta Deep Basin (Wapiti Montney). Its core operating areas of Wapiti and Pipestone in the... see more

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Nuvista Energy Ltd > NEVER EVER USE STOP LOSS LIMIT ORDERS!!
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Post by Sugaree on Feb 03, 2022 1:51pm

NEVER EVER USE STOP LOSS LIMIT ORDERS!!

Post from a while back, so prices are lower than current.

Stealing shares from uneducated retailer investors using the biggest scam in the industry, STOP LOSS LIMIT ORDERS.

 
They simply don't work as advertised. If the market really has the bottom fall out, most likely only 10%-20% of a Stop Loss Limit Order will actually get sold when initially hit, while the remainder (most) of the order will sit unsold as a limit sell order while the stock tanks.
 
i.e. I will use my beloved NVA. Closed at $7.70 Friday. Markets are a bit jittery. Retailer owns 30,000 shares and decides to put in a Stop Loss Limit Order at $7.25 Monday before open. He figures, be smart and put it well below $7.70.
 
Scary headlines pre-market DOW futures down 500 plus, and stock quickly falls to $6.99 on the open. On a good day, chances are only a small fraction of the 30,000 shares get sold at $7.25, say 5,000 if lucky (today zero as it opened lower than $7.25). So, the balance of 25,000 convert into a Limit Sell Order at $7.25. This works similar if 10 small retailers each had 3,000 shares. Maybe 1 or 2 guys get all 3,000 sold, while the other 8 still have all their shares.
 
Two scenarios, one, the market really is in big trouble and NVA drops bigtime below $6.00 or even lower to $5.00 and stays low for months or longer. What good did the Stop Loss Limit Order do? Nothing really, he still owns the bulk (25,000 of 30,000) of the shares. They are sitting there as a Limit Sell Order at $7.25. So there was little to no real protection. Retailer loses.
 
Second scenario, the Stop Loss Limit Order really is a scam to steal shares, as the stock quickly rebounds back up toward $7.70 soon after. (closed at $7.68!!) Guess what, the remaining 25,000 shares do get sold, but on the way back up from the $6.99 low, as the converted Limit Sell Order at $7.25. Result, retailer ends up selling all 30,000 shares at $7.25 while the stock moved back towards $7.70, and goes up from there to new 52 weeks highs in the following days, weeks, and months to $9.00, $10.00, $11.00. Again, retailer loses.
 
No matter how you slice it, the retailer loses. Either from no real protection from a drastic and prolonged drop in share price, or stolen shares from a sudden overreaction drop and quick rebound.
NEVER EVER USE STOP LOSS LIMIT ORDERS!!
 
P.S. Not to be confused with Stop Loss Orders, which convert to a market order, not a limit order. I believe they have been banned in Canada for some time now, as they exacerbate a stock down in a tanking market, and trigger more Stop Loss Orders and so on downward.
Comment by Carjack on Feb 03, 2022 2:44pm
Thanks for the repost. This board will help you make MORE money by providing stock info and investing info. I have learned more in the past 2 years than tbe last 20. I am grateful for the people here and the level of information sharing people have done. I try to do my small part by providing info earlier than most to guage direction and momentum. I posted a while back about lake mead and not ...more  
Comment by LittleYerry on Feb 03, 2022 2:53pm
I agree Carjack. Such great info from Sugaree, Oldnagger and yourself. You usually need to be cautious getting your information from Stockhouse, but this is a really good board (NVA board).
Comment by Sugaree on Feb 04, 2022 11:12am
Large volume around $9.50 funds scooping up lots of shares, then go stop loss hunting for the next few hours driving down on low volume and picking off large numbers of shares as stop loss orders. Depending how the overall market goes today, would not surprise me to see a rebound back up to $9.50 to scoop up all the remaining shares that were stop loss orders that got triggered and converted into ...more  
Comment by Sugaree on Feb 07, 2022 12:00pm
15,500 shares stolen at $8.99 six minutes ago, already back to $9.07
Comment by Carjack on Feb 07, 2022 12:51pm
Low volume traders day sugaree has said it millions of times don't be fooled. Oil price is at 90 dollars every oil and gas company is making huge bank. Ride out the volitility and stay positive cushing is running out of oil to store and opec can't keep up with demand.
Comment by Sugaree on Feb 08, 2022 9:39am
Tiny volume taking us down 35 cents on the open, geez, wonder what caused that, lol. Would not surprise me if the whole sector went green today. Remember, all the stop loss limit order that got triggered, most of those shares has not been bought/sold yet, but are now converted limit sell orders higher than the current bid/ask. To successfully steal those shares the hedgies need to run the price ...more  
Comment by Sugaree on Feb 08, 2022 10:03am
Pullbacks in a bull market are necessary to consolidate, and allow for the next leg up. Been this way since the beginning of time. Need to create buying opportunites to get more people in, i.e. some generalists worried about FOMO that were reluctant to pay at 52 week highs. Now they have no excuse. 
Comment by Carjack on Feb 08, 2022 12:41pm
Market call 12:40 don't use stop losses
Comment by Sugaree on Feb 11, 2022 10:12am
Like clockwork. Stock was at $9.65, got run down to $9.51 on low volume. 24k shares at 9.54/9.55 and another whopping 34,600 shares at 9.60 showed up on the offer. There were originally stop loss limit orders triggered into limit sell orders. They ran it right back up to steal all those shares. and now back down to $9.53 on low volume again.
Comment by Sugaree on Feb 11, 2022 11:24am
Comment by Sugaree on Feb 12, 2022 11:20am
Unfortunately, lots of shares stolen from retailers yesterday that use Stop Loss Limit Orders.
Comment by Sugaree on Feb 15, 2022 9:46am
Scamming hedge funds were salivating this morning. Overnight reports of Russian troops pulling back from Ukraine brought down oil price and gave them the opportunity to take out a tonne of Stop Loss Limit Orders on the open. Straight lineup from the open, but not after they grabbed over 150k shares.
Comment by Sugaree on Feb 23, 2022 9:23am
Don't let your shares be stolen from you.
Comment by Sugaree on Feb 28, 2022 11:52am
They are out in full force today. Literally, the only O&G of my 30 down today.
Comment by Carjack on Feb 28, 2022 1:08pm
Here comes the turn to green
Comment by LittleYerry on Feb 28, 2022 2:12pm
I think part of it is just us coming up to some technical resistance. We are approaching the 52 week high, the 2018 high, and the psychological $10.00 mark. I remember thinking way back that I'll be selling some at the $10 level (changed my mind, holding way higher) but I'm sure some out there are selling around now because of that magical number. GL
Comment by Sugaree on Feb 28, 2022 4:04pm
All makes sense to me. A little more consolidation and we will get our boomchuckalucka through $10.00. Great comeback today after full fledged stop loss hunting all day.
Comment by Oldnagger on Feb 28, 2022 4:28pm
Alvopetro seems to have found a way to fight share price manipulation. Perhaps Nuvista could do the same. The costs involved seem very low compared to the sums that retail investors are presumably losing to the manipulators https://stockhouse.com/news/press-releases/2022/02/11/alvopetro-engages-market-maker
Comment by Oldnagger on Feb 28, 2022 4:30pm
Furthermore, I believe that by reducing volatility, NVA would attract many more investors which would further reduce the volatility !!
Comment by Carjack on Feb 28, 2022 4:51pm
It's ok if you need to hold the hands of crew investors I still hold my Aug position. Lol
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