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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Obsidian Energy Ltd T.OBE

Alternate Symbol(s):  OBE

Obsidian Energy Ltd. is a Canada-based exploration and production company. The Company operates in one segment, to explore for, develop and hold interests in oil and natural gas properties and related production infrastructure in the Western Canada Sedimentary Basin directly and through investments in securities of subsidiaries holding such interests. It has a portfolio of assets producing... see more

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Obsidian Energy Ltd > Relative values OBE vs YGR
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Post by Hendrick3 on Feb 12, 2022 9:51am

Relative values OBE vs YGR

I think everyone who is a regular on this board knows how highly I regard OBE and the potential this company has. I believe it could be $20-25 by year end. In the past though when I have spotted relative better values I hav spoken up about them and ended up making quite a bit of money. I did that with IPO early last year and bought a bunch when IPO was about 1/5 of OBE and sold OBE to finance it. I later sold all my IPO and bought back OBE when the ratio was 2/5 late last year. That made a lot of money in my accounts. 

The most recent relative valuation aberration is YGR to OBE which currently sits at over 5 to 1 OBE to YGR. Traditionally this had been about 2 to 1 and at many points in history had OBE less than YGR. Let's look at the cash generation for comparison. 

In 4q YGR had FFO per share of 38 cents per share. Comparing like for like that would be akin to OBE having FFO of almost $2 per share where OBE is likely to make around $1.10-20 per share so as good as OBE fundamentals are, YGR is relatively undervalued by almost half.

What I did yesterday was to sell some of my OBE (as hard as that is) and bought YGR while it still languished in the low $1.80's. I was able to translate at 5.2 YGR shares to every 1 OBE. At some point that ratio is going to snap back. By the way like OBE YGR is lightly hedged and YGR is projecting growth for production of 20% for 2022 compared with 4q 2021 (12,000 bbls per day 2022 vs just over 10,000 in q 4)

I share this with the group as something I am doing because I think YGR is massively mispriced. It may be this year's IPO story. Do your own due diligence.

Comment by JohnJBond on Feb 13, 2022 2:43pm
Thanks for sharing. YGR as a pair trade with OBE.    The idea behind pair trading in both companies will have similar exposure to a change in oil or gas prices.    So by moving between companies, your oil/gas exposure doesn't change. I looked YGR over a while ago, and again after your post, as a potential pair trade option with OBE. My first impression is No.  ...more  
Comment by Hendrick3 on Feb 13, 2022 3:45pm
Always love your comments. I agree that it is not a fair pair trade if you prefer cake at the end of the year or if debt is a concern. First of all I was almost all OBE at Jan 1. I would never go below 70% OBE because I have a very optimistic view of their future for OBE. However I see an 80-100% increase from here for OBE by year end and for YGR more likely 150-200%. I could be wrong which is why ...more  
Comment by JohnJBond on Feb 13, 2022 5:09pm
There are no right or wrong choices here - just different outcomes. Ultimately they are both likely to do well in the current environment, and better yet if oil tightness continues. If you think two similar exposure stocks are equally priced, then you are better holding both than just one I remember back in the mid to late 80's when I was still in grad school, Fischer Black had written a ...more  
Comment by Kramerkarma on Feb 13, 2022 6:39pm
YGR is a hard NO for me. Here's why: the wells suck.its the main factor.do 12,000boe x 365 that's how many barrels they plan to sell take capex divided by total barrels... $24 per barrel vs OBE at $14. Aka very close to half the total barrels per well not considering oil to gas weight. That's 1. That drives debt and can fcf. They can't lower capex it'll be more per boe but less ...more  
Comment by kavern23 on Feb 13, 2022 7:38pm
Kramer if you just use numbers you are not capturing YGR west ferrier wells in 2022 numbers.... West Ferrier wells are much different then what YGR was doing in Cheddarville in first half of 2021. This is a fact.  Thos west ferrier wells are similar to "juice" of what IPO did in July and it saved them. YGR has 14 of these wells coming online in Q1 2022...... Journay has nothing ...more  
Comment by kavern23 on Feb 13, 2022 7:39pm
Even OBE compared to JOY....... OBE has Crimson wells that will produce 2 million in revenue in first month...a good Crimson well will do that at 120 cad oil..... Companies that can take advtantage and put more oil for sale will do the best.... JOY is limited in that. quote=kavern23]Kramer if you just use numbers you are not capturing YGR west ferrier wells in 2022 numbers.... West Ferrier ...more  
Comment by kavern23 on Feb 13, 2022 7:44pm
Probably the best debate point against YGR is I can't guarantee those wells will come online good... I mean every points to they will be stellar....but until get real data....it is just a theory...
Comment by Kramerkarma on Feb 13, 2022 7:55pm
I'm just stating my opinion. My research / analysis. Different opinions is what makes a market. I didn't pull punches because I think you guys know I respect ya and want my full veiw. ... if you can show me an average deployed capital at a good rate (not just x wells but the businesses average) sure I'd take a look. But as for your argument ... decline and capex on new wells are hand ...more  
Comment by Kramerkarma on Feb 13, 2022 8:18pm
OBE at 24,300 boe and prop say mid year 1,250 boe average then 128M capex and +36m prop = 17.58/ boe average capex per boe. Prop was late so it wasn't a add on that 2021 saw the gains so I made it mid year. But 2022 shows full incorporation. So that's obe I wana see 2021 ygr. And ipo.
Comment by JohnJBond on Feb 13, 2022 8:27pm
JOY is in the same position as YGR, in that both have zero chance of paying a dividend in 2022 (I mean a dividend capable of driving the share price). In 2023, JOY and YGR may be in the situation OBE is in in 2022.
Comment by Kramerkarma on Feb 13, 2022 8:47pm
Your correct JOY needs (no choice) to pay down debt they almost died in 2020 and then they need to get some new production and mabey some cash for a low price scenario... YGR 2021 averaged 8,912boe fy. Capex 85M so per boe .... $26.12 not good. IPO 2022 9,100 midpoint and 58M capex. 58M dividend by 9,100 times 365 days ... $17.46/boe.
Comment by Kramerkarma on Feb 13, 2022 8:57pm
last post sorry for the flood but it's free homework. IPO up to q3 5,458 boe 272 days (3q) and 27.4M capex is $18.46 per boe. But that's with growth pre acquisition. Obe without prop was 24,100? 128M capex (less aro and q1 pull forwards) 14.55/boe. So we are on the low side of middle cost capex have growth available and high boe netbacks. Gassy barrels are way cheaper. Only CJ has cheap ...more  
Comment by Kramerkarma on Feb 13, 2022 9:11pm
sorry most relevant post OBE 2022! capex 149M high side and midpoint boe 29,600 = 13.79 and high side boe =13.56. Production beat = -23c at 30,600 or $13 /31,100. Very cheap per boe.
Comment by kavern23 on Feb 13, 2022 9:54pm
With the variability in well results....how can anyone assume IPO, or YGR or even OBE will have similar drilling results each year...the past really does tell little on this side of the equation.... IPO hit six wells that were double what was expected by reallyone in 2021. How can you use 2021 wells for IPO to draw any conclusions.... Kramer what I have been saying for awhile is those 6 amazing ...more  
Comment by kavern23 on Feb 13, 2022 9:58pm
What is IPO really...it's Anderson...alot of IPO is that old Anderson stuff..... Anderson was going in Cardium over 10 years ago.  The average well of IPO compared to YGR is much lower as it is older. Most of YGR stuff is 2017 drilled and on.....isnt much legacy. Nobody is saying YGR didnt have drilling problems in 2021. Saying need to compare apples to apples. You are comparing IPO ...more  
Comment by Hendrick3 on Feb 13, 2022 10:47pm
Very active comments from my favourite posters so thank you. One reason I think YGR has turned the corner on their drilling is that the exited the year with strong production growth. More importantly, they are out looking a 12,000 boe/ day average price induction which is almost 20% over 4q 2021. Most oil companies would not be predicting such growth unless the early results on their wells were ...more  
Comment by Kramerkarma on Feb 13, 2022 11:18pm
I'm just giving the math I see. And according to IPO capex guidance they will spend less per boe that 2021 so they're saying they can duplicate their results. I sold my IPO so I'm not pumping them. As far as duplicating fron the past 17? OBE spent 157M / 31k BOE ... so given they have 25 years of land you'd want that to be similar and depends on the breakdown of drilling but it' ...more  
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