Quarterhill Inc T.QTRH

December is here! Lets bite the Apple!

[wilander]

I know they said they expect early in the New Year for the Apple decision, but it is completely possible within a normal timeline, we get the Apple decision in December. Particularly since it was clear from the oral arguments this wont be a complicated one.

Lets take that bite out of the Apple!

[whaler83]

its only been 2 months.

[wilander]

Yes. Which, is my understanding, when decisions can start to be expected.  It is true, it is the earliest, but it now finally starts to enter into the "it is possible" to be released phase. Something to at least look forward to on here. And as I said, this one doesnt look to be too complicated for the judges.

[whaler83]

Depending on if its precedential setting vs not also has an affect on how long the opinion takes.

[astutein]

Whaler83-  MY opinion is that a decision re Apple will not be given until January. My timeline is based upon the fact that in the oral hearing the concenus of the court especially,  one of the Judges said  they would like the parties to go back and try to reach a negotiated settlement between the parties. Apple appealed  the 109 judgement and Wilan wanted original .145

[wilander]

Didnt we just add $50 million to the coffers to fund ITS?  tick tock, tik tock.

[100mill]

Astutein, just so we're talking apples to apples, the original $145 million judgement would be $185 million if you apply the same interest/costs multiplier that the judge used to arrive at $109 million from the $85 million second trial award. Both trial awards exclude post-iPhone 7 phones.

[cabbieJBJ]

100mill, don't forget that the issue of iPhones 6/7 with Intel chipsets is also on the table. Wilan's lawyer answered a question at oral arguments from one of the judges who asked what was the amount involved.  The answer was $10's of millions.

[cabbieJBJ]

Unlikely to be precedential imo.

[byloselhir]

A judge finds in favor of QTRH and apple just appeals the decision, can they just keep appealing and delay the payment or is this the FINAL decision?

[cabbieJBJ]

Practically this will be the final decision. The losing party can request an en banc hearing (all the judges) but thus us not often granted. The lising party can also appeal to the Supreme Court, but a case like this would rarely be considered by the court. There is an outside chance that the CAFC send the case back to the district court. However, the CAFC judges opening comment was, "Why can

[ChiChi3]

Good summary Cabbie, thanks.  My interpretation was that the judge said "why can't you guys just settle" because she was getting frustrated because she didn't see a clear path to a judgement on the amount of the award and will have to send it back to the district court.  One of the judges also asked Apple if they want the case to go back to the district court to which

[cabbieJBJ]

That was not my takeaway at all Chi. The Chief Judge told the lawyers for both Apple and Wilan that they will not just take one side's number.  The panel will conduct its own analysis to arrive at what it considers the apporpriate royalty.  It is highly unlikely that this case will find its way back to the district court, with the possible exception of adjudicating the contract

[Joey67]

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[cabbieJBJ]

Hot Air Joey, you're no clairvoyant.  But if you were and had you based your clairvoyancy on Apple v. VirnetX, you would have had to say that VirnetX got 100% of what they wanted.  NEVER is such an absolute, no-wiggle-room stance.  Just wait for the court's ruling. 

[maxxprophet]

You're no clairvoyant either! When are you going to quit your job as QTRH's chief apologist / excuse maker  for all things not right / gone wrong with the Co.? Your obsession with needing to always have the final, and only correct version of events has gotten quite sickening. You must spend every waking moment on this board, making sure there aren't any negative vibes or truths

[wilander]

Careful maxx.  If you're not wearing the purest of rose coloured glasses, now you get put on ignore apprently. lol

[Justhalffull]

Narcissists are like that Maxx

[byloselhir]

Don't be greedy on the pull back leave some for me!!

[byloselhir]

thank you for replying, seems b=llsh=t to me the judges say pay up and they just keep stringing it out but i agree with the CAFC judge.....just settle it

[byloselhir]

Did i not see something here about an Amazon case in November too? I know nowt about this stuff i bought long ago as wilan that paid a good divi, looked at selling then the price dropped so i held, saw all the stuff going on with Apple and decided to stay in as i thought i saw good value and it would settle quickly

[cabbieJBJ]

byloselhir, yes your recollection is right about Amazon.  Amazon was successful in securing a Declatory Judgement of non-infringement on the siri patents that were developed by the Stanford Reseach Intstitute.  Wilan engaged the Tensegrity law firm for the appeal which was officially filed on 24-Nov-2021. The case was docketed at CAFC on 29-Nov-2021, case 2022-1193 if you want to

[byloselhir]

Thank you! I was checking here for news on the Amazon case but either no posts or i missed them