RE:RE:RE:RE:OmicronAlso, to our friend who thinks covid is like the flu. Here in Quebec (population 8.5 M) we have a mean of 4 deaths per day, with 90% vaccination rate in the 12+. If we were the US (population 330 M$), it would mean 155 deaths per day. Compare that with the reality of the mean number of covid deaths in the last seven days in the US which is 1300 deaths per day. This is very sad. So many Americans are dying when it could be prevented. I don't bring this exemple to brag, but just to show that vaccines works at preventing covid deaths, mostly preventable deaths.
jfm1330 wrote: The problem with omicron, again, is that it is three to four times more contagious than delta, but as virulent. Yes the vaccine will not protect very well against catching it, but with a third shot it is still very efficacious at preventing severe illness, hospitalizations and death. The problem lies in the unvaccinated people. This time around, the unvaxed are much less likely to avoid it. Elderly people and those with other problems like obesity will also be hit hard, even if they are properly vaccinated. New daily cases are skyrocketting here in Qubec and again, we have a 90% vaccination rate in the 12+ population. Imagine that in a US state with a vaccination rate of 70%. There will be much more severe illness, hospitalizations and deaths. Add on top of that all other patients, like cancer patients, in need of treatment or surgeries, that will be postponed.
SPCEO1 wrote: While I tend to agree that we should not be in an alarmist mode over Omicron until such time as we see a lot of hospitalizations occurring because of it, the math still looks worrisome even if it does not cause a lot of serious illness. That is simply because of how many people will get it. It is breaking through triple vaxed people and people who were infected before. So, there is a very good chance that most of us will end up getting an Omicron infection. If only a small percentage of those end up hospitalized, it still is going to hammer the health care systems around the world and wreak havic on the world's economy. And many hospitals are already severely overtaxed by mostly unvaxed people getting sick with the Delta variant. From a TH perspective, it could play havoc with finalizing the phase 1a and put a real kink in getting the phase 1b started. It may turn out that no interruptions in these trials are necessary but with the less than ideal way governments have handled covid so far, I would not be surprised if TH had to contend with some complications in getting these trials completed.
realitycheck4u wrote: And no one one is getting seriously ill. The percentage of double vaccinated people drying per 100000 is lower than auto accidents deaths. It's a flu. It is insane to include double or triple vax in lockdowns in any circumstance. Liberals/snowflakes/dems are bonkers
jfm1330 wrote: I fear this new variant will mess up a lot of things in the coming months. This variant is three to four times as contagious as the delta, and as virulent. We will very likely end up with shutdowns in many sectors. Here in Quebec our vaccination rate for the 12 years old and older is 90%, and this thing is rising sharply and Omicron is still not the dominant variant. So imagine in the US in many states where the vaccination rate is much lower. I fear it could be worst than the first wave.