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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Vermilion Energy Inc. T.VET

Alternate Symbol(s):  VET

Vermilion Energy Inc. is a Canada-based international energy producer. The Company seeks to create value through the acquisition, exploration, development, and optimization of producing assets in North America, Europe, and Australia. Its business model emphasizes free cash flow generation and returning capital to investors when economically warranted, augmented by value-adding acquisitions. The... see more

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Vermilion Energy Inc. > Explaination of hedging losses
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Post by mnztr on Aug 17, 2021 1:25pm

Explaination of hedging losses

The huge losses in hedging do look terrible. But this is what are. What VET has sold is similar to calls on natural gas, so they have sold forward contracts and 5-, 6, 7 $ into middle of next year covering 70% of that production. Those contracts are now MASSIVELY underwater as Euro NG is in the $20 range. But they do not represent a cash loss. All it means is that VET will have to deliver gas at that price, and the loss represent to a large degree, what they might lose out on their selling price vs market price if prices stay as high as they are today. As the calls expire and gas is delivered, this will wind down and no actual money will have to be paid by VET. Its also possible VET did purchase PUTs but in either case the outcome is roughly the same.
Comment by lashing on Aug 17, 2021 1:39pm
Stir that koolaid any sales of gas at $7 etc is a massive loss of REAL CASH that wonot pay down debt, wont may me, wont pay you.  This company lied so many times in the past and we just exposed them yet again for having a hedging programs far beyond what they stated outright or even alluded to. I call BS. These "derivatives" were put in place in the PRESENT to line pockets at VET ...more  
Comment by EnergyWatcher55 on Aug 17, 2021 1:46pm
Have paid attention to VET's monthly presentations posted on its website? Their hedging program has been TRANSPARENT from the begining. Do your frik-in reserch! 
Comment by lashing on Aug 17, 2021 1:50pm
Here we go again. Please point out the level of hedging and please, tell me who exactly the "derivative" contracts are with? No? thats right its YOU that has no clue. Money is going in pockets, I'll wait for you to sort this out since you are a genious but all you offer so far  is anger and insults. 
Comment by EnergyWatcher55 on Aug 17, 2021 1:54pm
Slide 19 of VET presentation.
Comment by halitosis8 on Aug 17, 2021 2:51pm
it's been right in front of your eyes, Lashing.  There are filing requirements and the statements are signed off by accountants.  You don't get to know who the counterparties are--that's not a rational expectation.  you do get the details.  https://www.vermilionenergy.com/files/July_31_2021_Hedging_Summary.pdf
Comment by mnztr on Aug 17, 2021 1:58pm
Can you say for certian that EU NG will be higher then 7 in 6 months? I should remind you NS2 is coming on line this year.
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