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[Donwaan]

Months on from devastating floods in Pakistan, millions of people remain homeless, roads are destroyed and tens of thousands of schools and hospitals lie in ruins. At the COP27 summit, the country's Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif called on Western nations to offer compensation to poorer, vulnerable countries like his, which bear the brunt of climate change. Pakistan's government says the figure for losses and rebuilding now stands at more than $30bn. But the human cost is far higher - more than 1,700 people died in the floods and two million homes were damaged or destroyed. Those people who survived are living in endless uncertainty and despair.

[Citizen13]

Pakistan /India has had monsoon season ever since they existed. People live in uninhabitable areas then wonder why their property has been destroyed.  There are huge parts of the Middle East and Africa that should not have human beings living there at all and it's only going to get a lot worse . We need less humans and more nature and maybe, just maybe the Earth and its climate will heal

[Donwaan]

If you dumped garbage into your neighbors yard and it resulted in clogged perimeter drains and property damage who should be held responsible for the damages? CO2 emmissions are no different. Global warming is making weather patterns, including monsoons, much more intense and catastrophic. Poorer countries who for the most part are not the ones pumping CO2 into the air are suffering the

[Moemoney42]

That's a bit of a stretch on the truth.. poor countries resort to burning wood, coal, oil, Nat Gas, dung, or anything else that will burn to create energy too.. some of those are far worse than western countries buring Nat gas.. like the earlier poster said.. if you build in a flood plain, expect that flood plain to do what its supposed to do every once in a while.. manage flooding..! [/quote]

[Abedim15]

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/environmental-indicators/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions.html see included chart.... so who is going to pay whom? Looks like India may be clogging its own drains And, good luck getting China to do anything. You know the one supposedly responsible for 25% of the issue

[wkrpradio]

You are pushing Marxist propaganda and lies.  CO2 is plant food and we need it to survive.   P.S. there are only two genders.

[Oldnagger]

Poor countries who have undergone disasters by any cause should always receive aid from those who are able to provide it. IMHO that is where the argument should end !!

[Citizen13]

Perfect . You drive an ICE car ?  You have a gas stove/cooktop?  A gas furnace ? Give us your details so we can sue you. Just a ridiculous logistically impossible thing to control.  The State of New York sued big oil and lost , so that's where the argument should end. Already gone through the courts and failed miserably. As most wokeness should. 

[Oldnagger]

I am stating a moral precept not a legal one !!

[wkrpradio]

"Moral precept" was the excuse that Putin used for his invasion of Ukraine. You have a right to your opinion , just like everyone else, but there are no absolutes when it comes to morals. Many in Pakistan claim to have the moral right to behead what they consider to be Infilels.

[Oldnagger]

Wow !! I am not a dangerous dictator nor a murderous fanatic, just a guy who believes that people need a hand up when life deals them a bad hand . By moral precept I mean that aid should be at the option of the donor according to the values that the donor wishes for himself. I am a little concerned that I need to explain such basic concepts !!

[Citizen13]

You are opening a whole can of worms when pulling out the morality card. I think India /Pakistan are way overpopulated and should therefore compensate the rest of the world for that. Global climate change is caused by factory farming of animals as well as fossil fuels.  I think people who support the horrific treatment of factory farm animals , slaughter and then eat their corpses should

[Oldnagger]

No , let the Wookie win 

[WinstonSmith]

Lets keep in mind that the energy use footprint of the average Canadian is 40 times that of the average Third worlder... who has the moral high ground.......?

[masfortuna]

  That "energy footprint" arguement does not hold water.  Since Canadians heat their homes for 6 months if not greater, 40% of our enery footprint derives from that. Add the fact that we are an industrialized society where many need to commute to work as opposed to walk, and that accounts for another 20%.  Also, the energy footprint arguement does not take into account

[WinstonSmith]

So you are saying that a peasent in Pakistan who walks everywhere, eats no excess food and meat, drives no Ford 150 20,000 km a year, has few clothes, lives in one room with family, no air conditioning, and doesnt fly in airplane, is the problem. Is that Kool Aid youre drinking

[Moemoney42]

Well if you decide to walk everywhere, eat no meat or excess food, wear the same clothes everyday, while living in one room with your family without air conditioning or flying anywhere to "save the planet" LOL.. then by all means, sell/give up all your luxuries and commit to the fantasy of the world ending in 10 years as Greta likes to portray.. LOL.. Or maybe tell China and India to

[WinstonSmith]

You seem to be looking for some sort of affirmation for your denial of climate change. Cant help you with your own mischaracterizations of my comments.... find another straw man. Alt-ignore

[masfortuna]

He is not denying that climate is changing. He is stating that what we are doing is not going to solve the issue. It's virtue signalling. Here is a chart of the last 400 000 years. Do you notice something? 

[Pandora]

Which comes first the chicken or the egg? And is there a colour line for population? We seem to have had 4 heat peaks, coincidental with carbon dioxide peaks, with the highest being about 325,000 years ago. I wonder if that was caused by the humans at that time? Gotta admit that the two run side by side. Takes you back to the old saying "figures don't lie but liars sure figure." Oh

[hubertj]

Yes I do notice something: #1: peak cycle every ~150K yrs; and #2; current cycle, of both CO2 & TEMP, are not going down but in a +_2% change area, there lays the problem.

[Pandora]

P.S. I would be a lot more worried about getting back down to that -8 degree limit. A hell of a lot more people will be dying from the cold. You will notice that the carbon dioxide number duplicates the trend of the temperature number so getting rid of carbon dioxide could also be a catalyst for screaming climate change. That latest downward plunge to -8 was not that long ago - relatively speaking

[masfortuna]

Anyhow my point is that "climate does change". If the issue is CO2 , then my question is HOW does cleaning the air above North America help with the atmospere? Unless everybody jumps aboard, WE SHARE THE SAME ATMOSHERE. India/China are building 300 coal powered energy plants as we speak. So basically it's like being on a diet and not buying CHIPS, so you don't buy them but go

[Moemoney42]

Exactly Mas.. notice how quickly I got put on ignore when even a small amount of contradiction enters the conversation.. LOL.. yup.. Koolaide king doesn't want to hear that there's holes in his "end of the world stance".. too funny.! The earth will adjust like it has over the milleniums.. but don't tell Winston.. he obviously doesn't want to give up his luxuries either

[Pandora]

Yes, but then they are voted in mostly because of their ability to talk and because they may have nice hair and are good looking. Common sense, logic, and the ability to rationalize re serious concerns and during crises is not necessarily a requirement.

[masfortuna]

Our politicians do not do what is good for the nation.  They do what is good for the party.  That's why we have all this inflationary "belt tightening" talk on one side, and then they spend frivolously on things like student loan payments...

[masfortuna]

It's a sign of the times. It's like asking someone if they are "pro-homocide".  Nobody would answrr that in the affirmative because any sane individual would be against it. I am completely in agreement with trying to curb our destruction of the planet and its ecosystems.  What I am against is giving someone a blank cheque when they have failed to convince me that their

[masfortuna]

One peasant? No. It is when there are several 100 million eating food that require pastures for the livestock and fields to expand their growing villages. And they are not choosing to live this way. 58 000 people died from snake bites last year in India.   They don't have a choice. What happens when they all become midddle class ciizens? Oh yes, I forgot. They can all just move here.

[wkrpradio]

Your heart is in the right place , but unfortunately , it has been proven over and over again that communist always fails. 

[Quintessential1]

Over population is the ultimate climate change driver.  Pakistan has a population 6 times the size of Canada suffed into a country 1 tenth the size.  Perhaps the good people of Pakistan should practice more birth control and they would have less people living in flood plains and contributing to climate change? Canada gas and will always help poorer countries in need but I don't

[Pandora]

Or they could migrate to Canada!

[Quintessential1]

They are migrating to Canada and we are taking as many migrants as we can but, we cannot take their migrants and pay for their countries infrastructure and natural disasters too.  At some point they are going to have to take responsability for their own citizens and the worlds natural disasters.  They would have a very hard time pointing the finger at Canada as a cause of climate change

[Pandora]

So you are saying over population will be the destroyer of civilization. That is certainly true if our growth based economies get stifled by activist ideologies to the point of slowing down or halting the innovation of new technologies that can possibly overcome the negatives. I believe in the innovation trail but it is sure getting beaten down by groups that have their own agenda at the

[Quintessential1]

No.  I am saying I THINK overpopulation will be the destroyer of civilization.  Just like I THiNK overpopulation is the driver of climate change and ignorance is the driver of overpopulation.

[Moemoney42]

I've read in the past (and tend to agree with this perspective) that the population will peak around 8.9-9 billion people and stay at that level.. actuaries have modeled that the number of deaths/year will start to match the number of births and growth will level off.. I guess time will be the deciding factor.. not sure if I'll be around to confirm the thesis or not..?? 

[Oldnagger]

The population will most likely cross the 8 Billion mark on Tuesday. The challenge will be to try to maintain relative harmony That will require much more enlightened thinking than what we have seen lately IMHO 

[Pandora]

Maybe you can confirm your info with Bill Gates! :0)) This is about the latest (Jan/2022) I could find but there is likely something more up to date. Not likely on Google. https://www.uncoverdc.com/2022/01/19/bill-gates-future-pandemics-reducing-the-population-tracking-vaccines/

[FiddyFiddy]

Anyone who insists on breeding, is part of the climate change problem, and not part of the solution.  The geographic location of said breeders is irrelevant. Why are people in developed countries breeding, when there are already MILLIONS of mouths to feed in the world ? Human breeders are just plain old selfish, there's no other word for it.

[Quintessential1]

Sure,  but first world countries are being selfish and third world countries are being irresponsible. You are going to have a hard time convincing anyone that the selfish owe the irresponsible money. GLTA Longs

[Citizen13]

Having offspring is the number one carbon intensive a human being can do .  Don't hear that too often from the greenies or our politicians , do we ? Why ? Because if they even hinted to have less or zero offspring it would be political suicide .  Why do the poorest people have the most children ? Because kids are an asset to them if the kid survives into adulthood . A retirement plan

[FiddyFiddy]

It's true 3rd world rat holes such as Pakistan do not have access to the same birth control as first world nations.  As such, doesn't that make first world breeders even MORE irresponsible for having children given the availabilty of methods availble to them to prevent breeding ?? First world breeders are not only SELFISH, they're also super IRRESPONSIBLE! Citizen wrote:"

[Citizen13]

Yes and us first worlders always say " well we are just having 2 kids to replace ourselves "  Oh yeah , count how many people were using resources when your grand parents were married , and how many in your family are on the planet now . Since we live to 80 +  your family is using much more carbon than just replacing yourselves. We went from a billion to 8 billion in how many

[FiddyFiddy]

And let's not forget :  In Pakistan, Birth Control And Religion Clash. https://www.npr.org/2011/08/10/139382653/in-pakistan-birth-control-and-religion-clash

[Quintessential1]

Well, overpopulation plus no birth control equals irresponsible. Nuclear weapons with no disaster relief funding equals irresponsible. Religion is not a good excuse for not taking  responsibility for your own population. Pakistan should invite VET to explore for NG and switch to clean burning fuels or sell them. GLTA

[FiddyFiddy]

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[Quintessential1]

So?  If YOU choose religion over science then YOU also choose religion over finance. This is a YOU problem. GLTA

[Paray99]

Why are you bringing these type of BS to this board?

[Quintessential1]

Funny they have access to nuclear weapons but not birth control? They are irresponsable through their lack of education and ignorance.  Same as you. Now toddle back to your own board boy.  You don't belong here and you know it. P.S. You are out of your depth on every board. GLTA