Post by
AL8888 on Nov 19, 2019 4:02pm
Is time running out for shorts?
I'm not an expert, but I think that anyone who held a short position after the date of record on the rights offering is now not only short on the shares but also owes the rights to whomever the shares were borrowed from. Just like they would owe a dividend if (on the record date) they were short on a stock that paid a dividend. I think management made a smart move on this strategy. The shorts now have to cover both rights and shares. If they start buying one, it drives the price up on the other. As of October 31st the short count was 12.84 million shares. It will be interesting to see how much of this has been covered on the next update. The people who are bashing the stock are either trying to cover or get the price low enough to take a long position. Since we have new experts like 199David (profile created today - Hi Sotippy/Truthseeker we still see ya!) spouting the same old garbage, I would assume they still have more covering to do. Time is running out for the rights though, and the supply is dwindling as they are being exercised. Tick Tock MFs
Comment by
Cashtown on Nov 19, 2019 4:12pm
Really? Interesting, I hadn't considered that aspect of it. Do you know this for a fact or an educated assumption? Either way, I agree with you that time is running out for shorts and I am very excited for the first few weeks after the rights offering closes. I exercised all my rights.
Comment by
Healthy1wins on Nov 19, 2019 5:51pm
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Comment by
OneWhoBlazes on Nov 19, 2019 8:47pm
Shorta DO NOT have to cover rights. Rights are attached to the share at the record date. So whoever owned shares at that time gets the rights , nomatter how the shares were traded.. a share is a share is a share. The shorts have to cover “ shares “ .. not attached rights also. The rights already went to whoever bought the share.
Comment by
AL8888 on Nov 20, 2019 12:46am
Really? Are you sure? Does a short have to cover a dividend if the stock he has shorted declares one? Yes, they do, so then why not a right?
Comment by
OneWhoBlazes on Nov 20, 2019 4:39am
No. The short would not have to cover a dividend because the div only gets paid out once per share. The short sold a share, and the buyer recieves the payout straight from issue, there is nothing for the short to pay back, he just sold the share, he didnt creat new shares out of thin air and add them to the float.
Comment by
OneWhoBlazes on Nov 19, 2019 8:58pm
It makes sense that they would have to cover rights. However if the shares were all “ borrowed” there could be millions extra , and therefore would artificially create more rights then the actual amount based on share count. So that is not happenening
Comment by
Cashtown on Nov 19, 2019 10:59pm
Well that's disappointing, I was hoping for extra fodder to screw these guys over.
Comment by
Foxbat143 on Nov 19, 2019 11:31pm
The owner of the shares is the LONGS and not the SHORTS
Comment by
Foxbat143 on Nov 19, 2019 11:36pm
Also when a person shorts a stock he is in the negative. When he covers his position by purchasing he closes his position because he previously sold the shares. He owns nothing because he already sold or shorted the position.
Comment by
AL8888 on Nov 20, 2019 12:51am
Yes, that's how it works, but he is also responsible for any privileges the original stock holder is entitled to during the time he held his short position.