RE: Message for NON BASHERSGood post, a rarity on this board. I still don't understand why SH won't get more serious about blocking certain IP addresses.
The ATW board has been infected with a very nasty basher disease. Idon't need to tell most of you about him because you are already wellaware that one particular person is using multiple aliases and multiplepersonalities to control the board. Some aliases appear agreeable andfriendly towards the obvious BASHER alias. These are the muckeraliases. The basher through multiple aliases and multiple postingsmanufactures negative conversations and will make sure that thenegative tone is always prominent on the board. They will always tryto maintain the last post. Even this post will be covered up by basherpostings within minutes. Below is information that will help youidentify and properly deal with the BASHERS.
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Is the "Bashing" of a stock an essential part of the online investment landscape?
OurConstitution guarantees us free speech and we have always valued thelessons gleaned from dissent. When does dissent cross over thatimaginary line and become "Bashing"? To often we find well groundeddissent capriciously labeled as "Bashing" by over zealous investorsbent on protecting a stocks reputation at any cost. The "Bashing" thatis addressed on this site is quite different from dissent. The Anatomy of a Basher strives to look at the calculated erosion of confidence in a given stock. Erosion by means that are, in every sense, void of truth, hinged on deceptionand innuendo, and motivated by greed atthe expense of others. This compendium is offered to aid in identifyingthe telltale signs of "Bashing", and hopefully provide a counterbalance to this heretofore unchecked manipulation of investors fearsfor personal gain.
IS IT EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK? I have asked some knowledgeable investors this question and the answer is always:"YES, OF COURSE YES!"
WHO BASHERS PREY UPON
Considerthe elderly that are investing for retirement, they find their way tothe message boards for validation only to see false posts about "SECViolations" and "Class action suits"... or the head of a "typicalgrowing family", with children to put through college, who ismonitoring a message board only to read posts by a "pack of 15 to 20Bashers" (probably 5 or 6 under various alias's) posting continuousdisinformation... what do you think these new investors will do? It'ssafer to not buy or even sell the stock, put the money back in the bankthan to deal with all this whirl wind of "unsupported" negative chaff.
The Internet has lured a whole new class of investor into the market. A new investor is just that - New!This new investor, while learning the basics, is particularlyvulnerable to the tactics of professional Bashers. New investors tendto lurk in the background of message boards, content to formindependent opinions based on what they read with their own eyes. Veryoften, honest, intelligent and cautious people can easily be overcomeby a well orchestrated propaganda effort.
You must always remember that their is a lot of money to be made in just the motion of a stock UP or DOWN it doesn't matter!AndBashers have money at risk just as you do. But they have the edge offear, lies, and falsehoods to post while preying on the un-initiated.The average investor dose not have the edge of organized deception.
Recentrevelations have indicated that even Market Makers (those charged withkeeping the playing field level) have been involved in stockmanipulation by Bashing on a stock message board. HAVE NO DOUBT THATTHIS IS A REAL THREAT!
Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER Bash A BADSTOCK.Check the boards for stocks with no potential. They never have anyBashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are moving up or haveexcellent potential to do so. Bashers work to bring the price down toeither increase their position at the expense of others or help a Shortmake their bones.
Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. Newstartup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The Basher willpost this over and over again. Unsophisticated Bashers will try tofreshen up old news with a new date or by-line in an attempt to foolyou.
Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't Bash. They try to control the board.True longs may have to confront the Bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information. Thisis best accomplished by posting positive, well researched data on thecompany, repetitively, while trying hard not to engage the Bashers indirect repartee. REMEMBER - LONGS... RESISTUSING THE BASHERS ALIAS!
Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE.Never trust a Basher. The truth on startup companies is that they makemistakes. What new company hasn't? The Basher will compare your issueto a another companies, financials - deals - management, etc., tryingto lure you into making an Apples to Oranges comparison. Remember eachcompany is unique and while it is prudent to seek out establishedindicators, do so with care and don't take someone else's word for it.Strive to come up with at least a "six-pack" of indicators so yourvision of the state of a company is not tied to a single barometer. Notdoing so is tantamount to going to a Race Track and betting on the "PrettyBrown Horsey". BASHERS WANT TO WHISPER IN YOUR EAR - PLANT A SEED OF DOUBT, AND HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVVY ENOUGH TO RESEARCH THE TRUTH ON YOUR OWN. This is how they achieve their greatest success.
DOUBT + FEAR + LAZINESS = BAIL OUT!
This is your investment... work for it, protect it and don't panic on the words of very shadowy figure that "has your bestinterest in their heart". Consider that one factor: Someone you havenever met, is not a member of your family, is now, out of the goodnessof their hearts - GIVING YOU FREE ADVICE (that you didn't ask for).It's a no brainer. They have motives $$$$$$$$$$$$.
Lesson 5: Bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That'swhy they make the vague statements they do. They rely on you being tolazy to research their droppings other than to scan the board forothers opinions. This is particularly dangerous when you consider that Bashers work in packs and often validate andback up each others nonsense with what appears to be "innocuous andunsolicited" verification by comrade Bashers. Let's face it, we are allconditioned to "believe" everything we see in writing. If others byvirtue of their "posts" also confirm this belief, then we aresubconsciously doomed to swallow the hook, line and sinker... Basher - 1 Honest Investor - 0
Lesson 6: The Bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. Theycan lie about information and you won't know the difference (unless youhave done your own DD on the company and know the truth and facts).
Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. You have held a stock for a while. You knew it will be a big stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN. That'swhen the Basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal forthe stock was to hold it for one year. The Basher is bothersome, so youdump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for yourloss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turninto a semi-Basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW ALLY - YOU!
Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. Thatis the Basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm.Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to scare thenewbies that are just investigating a stock. They are trying to weardown the faithful longs on the board and gain free reign and control.
A BASHER HANDBOOK:
Do not underestimate a Bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book". Learn from it or you will be donating your hard earned money to them!
Rules for Successful Bashing:
1. Be anonymous
2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.
3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a
support base before initiating your Bashing routine.
4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.
5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.
6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.
7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.
8. Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to
your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.
9. Only Bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the
rest of the way.
10. Give the appearance of being open minded.
11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.
12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.
13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.
14. Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't
know your history.
15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.
16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the
company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.
17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.
18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to
reinforce facts.
19. DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY.
20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't.They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can alwaysfind something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.
21. Discourage people from believing Press Releases.
Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.
22.If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that.Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.
23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary
mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.
24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.
25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.
26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.
27. Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their
focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts.
28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to
instead of the one your Bashing.
30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.
Grade 'A' Basher:
Ifyou post lots of old news, respond to all positive posts with anegative side. Never respond to being called a Basher, never post onanother board with same alias. Can spend up to 80 hours a week Bashinga stock.
Grade 'B' Basher:
Verygood way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking thepositive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spendsabout 60 hours a week.
Grade 'C' Basher:
Spendsless time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C gradedue to getting excited when Bashers rules say not to get excited,spends about 40 hours a week.
Grade 'D' Basher:
Needsto learn the basics about being convincing when making a negativestatement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20hours a week.
Grade 'F' Basher:
Acomplete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything aboutstocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives norationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.
LEARN ABOUT HOW BASHERS WORK: For instance: did you know that some Bashers are paid?
Golden Rule:
IGNORE THEM ...learn how professional Bashers are paid:When you REPLY to Bashers you give them an opportunity to earn appox.5-7 dollars. The service agreement they enter into with their employerstates their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies,etc. but Overseers and the like don't have the time to check all theirBashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those whomanage the Basher will generally read the headlines to see if a Basheris replying to other posters by name. That tells them the Basher isn'tjust "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and oversince they won't pay for those.(True to form a Basher will put the biteon anyone, even their unscrupulous employer). A Basher will attempt tomilk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. Thisway the Basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders aspossible. A Basher will create this discussion thread because it takesless time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimatelyallows the Basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER.Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion. NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER; if you do so thenYOUBECOME THE BASHER,S AID! If you feel compelled to challenge a Basher doso without mentioning his/her true alias in your response. This willmake it hard for the Basher to use your post as a revenue stream. Readthe news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get realtime quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligenceis key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs upwhich will be followed followed by the Bashers and those that missedthe boat. The Bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as"it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. Theregoal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking"you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your DD ,trust yourown judgement and believe in yourself, pick your point of return orloss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or Bashers trust your ownjudgement. Live by the rules you have created .
HOW TO IDENTIFY A BASHER
1.Check the "Born on Date" Bashers create identities on a regular basis.Rarely do you find a Basher with older "Created On" date. So click onthe Identity icon for more details.
2. Take the time to look atthe Basher's history of Posts. Go to other boards and see if their is apattern to the theme of the posts. Bashers rarely waste time trying toblend in with "positive" posts, unless they are cultivating a newuninformed assistant.
3. When did the Basher show up. Bashers rarely show up when activity is in at a Lull. They show up when activity up/down..
4. Bashers never answer direct questions except with another question.
5.Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So besuspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.
6. Bashers always select "an argument" that can never be resolved by research.
The Basher 'Pack' Mentality
Basherslove to work in packs. It provides the quintessential cover to achievesupposedly "independent" validation of an argument. It is neitherindependent nor validating.
Pack Structure: Basher Packs can becomprised of any number of Bashers. They can be purposely formed withinan organization or they can be "ad hoc" formed during a conclave on aparticular board. In fact a pack mentality can be achieved by anambitious "party of one" with a few select aliases.
Once a pack is formed, a leader emerges. This leader is usually acknowledged by other Bashers because of 1. Knowledge of the stock. or 2. Recognition by current board Longs (high visibility).Once established the Leader will usually work the Pack members up in toa posting frenzy. Constantly changing themes and even occasionallybiting the ear of another pack member (this earns instant credibility),and it doesn't offend the bitten Basher because he/she knows it is allpart of the effect. Quite sophisticated.
Packs will disband andslink away without notice. Usually this is the call of the Pack Leaderwho is adept at recognizing overplay. More often than not, Pack membersmust move on because they have other Bashing commitments to fulfill.They will return to the site of a good hunt over and over again, untilhamstringing is achieved.
What calls a pack together. The Cry of theLeader. Certain Bashers love to work together. They know each othersbite, how to feign in and out, it is a well choreographed Bash whenpack members have worked together before. They constantly check their"Sites Du Jour" for signs of Pack activity. Occasionally they willthrow out a "Nibbler" Bash to see if the pack responds or if not theycan work the site themselves. It's all about effectiveness, time andearning money.