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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Bioasis Technologies Inc. V.BTI

Alternate Symbol(s):  BIOAF

Bioasis Technologies Inc. is a multi-asset rare and orphan disease biopharmaceutical company developing clinical stage programs based on epidermal growth factors and the xB3™ platform, a proprietary technology for the delivery of therapeutics across the blood brain barrier and the treatment of CNS disorders in areas of high unmet medical need. The in-house development programs are designed to... see more

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Bioasis Technologies Inc. > Does xB3 Work?
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Post by Boomskid on Aug 21, 2023 3:40pm

Does xB3 Work?

Besides all of the scientific studies by Texas Tech, MedImmune (AstraZeneca), OncoDesign, Scarpa, NRC, UBC and others, there are other aspects to the question about whether xB3 works.
 
There are questions than one can ask the CEO about xB3. Over the last ten years or more, I have asked the three CEOs the following questions:
 
1. Has xB3 ever failed in its purpose of delivering a therapeutic payload across the BBB?
   Answer: The CEOs (all three) have always answered "no". 
 
2. Has a delivered therapeutic payload ever failed to work after it's been delivered to the CNS where the failure was attributed in any way to xB3?
   Answer: All three CEO's have always answered "no".
 
3. Has xB3 ever failed in any way?
   Answer: All three CEO's have always answered "no".
 
4. Have any partners, prospective partners or any pharmaceutical industry players held the perception that xB3 is a failure or has problems such that the perception could impede dealmaking?
   Answer: All three CEO's have always answered "no".
 
So, according to the CEOs, there are no issues with xB3. And yet Bioasis couldn't get much done with respect to deals. I don't think that RH could ever have gotten much done with respect to deals. He wasn't doing any serious work with xB3, and he's not a scientist. He got financings done and some scientific stuff done that came way short of enough for an IND submission.
 
It looked like Mark Day was moving in the right direction. He did the Prothena and XOMA deals, and the Chiesi deal was set up by him. But Rathjen shot him out of the sky.
 
Rathjen closed the Chiesi deal, but in the end it wasn't very good. Four LSDs for $750,000 each. Peanuts. And then the hunt was on with Ladenburg Thalmann for strategic alliances or whatever euphemisms she used during that process. She shelved xB3-001 and yet accidentally revealed evidence of a deal for it with Ellipses. She camouflaged xB3's value by downplaying it and doing the EGF deal. I've detailed elsewhere all the negative things she did with xB3 and why she might have done these things.
 
But throughout it all she never expressed any doubt about xB3, its capabilities, or its value. She couldn't. She wanted to sell it off, in my opinion. If she had said that there were problems with xB3 and she later sold out to others like Midatech and LT and The Placee, and if xB3 worked, could she be considered to have engaged in a shareholder fraud? I will have more to say about Rathjen's behaviour in this regard as the story unfolds. 
 
But, fuzzy, getting back to why I don't care what anybody thinks about me, it’s not about me. It’s about the message. I'm only interested in describing, on the record, what Rathjen did and didn't do, how she created a very opaque story about Bioasis and xB3 for the last three or four years, what her weaknesses are, whether she's incompetent or malicious, and whether she's honest, or not. 
 
Shareholders are very upset by what I'm posting. I don't blame them. Shareholders, many of them, still believe Bioasis can be saved and that xB3 is very valuable. In my opinion, they are right on both counts, but Rathjen doesn't care. I think the case can be made that she believes Bioasis shareholders won't act no matter what they believe, and so far she's correct in that assessment.
 
So, what to do? Just sit quietly by and watch her do whatever she wants? That's likely how it's going to turn out, but not without somebody, me, I guess, so far, describing what she might be doing. I think she's shameless, that she thinks she lives in a bubble. Well, the Bionomics people burst that bubble and they essentially fired her. With respect to Bioasis, I'm running after that bubble and I may not burst it but at least I'm trying.
 
My conscience is clear. I have posted the good, bad and indifferent. And if Rathjen is doing what I think she may be doing, at least she'll know it was exposed, even if she gets away with it.
 
I will not apologize to shareholders. That's very different than being greatly saddened by what has happened to the shareholders, which I certainly am. I'm angry as hell that Mark Day put her on the board, that RH supported her becoming CEO, and that she became CEO.
 
Like most shareholders, I didn't quite believe that she was that incompetent or malicious. I worried about this stuff happening, wrote about it, but even so, how could she could do to shareholders what she has done? How do you destroy a company that has a technology that even Denali believes is better than theirs. Denali! A company worth US$3.2 billion today!! 
 
How do you destroy that? Rathjen and RH have shown us how.
 
So does xB3 work?
 
If it doesn't and Rathjen knows it, then Midatech, LT and The Placee, Dr. Mario Saltarelli, and Dr. Deborah Rathjen were acquiring xB3 to promote a pump and dump sometime down the road.  
 
Much more likely is that xB3 does work, consistent with all of the scientific results as I described above. Further, I think that Midatech, LT and The Placee, Dr. Mario Saltarelli, and Dr. Deborah Rathjen were acquiring xB3 because they know it works and they know they can make another Denali, or something like Denali, from xB3.
 
I didn’t do any of that. I’m just speculating about it, and memorializing it here. Is there any hope that exposing it here, and if I’m right, that shareholders might sufficiently rise up to prevent this from happening? Or to cause enough fear and shame in Dr. Deborah Rathjen that she might just walk away and let the shareholders handle things?
 
Not holding my breath on that.
 
xB3 works, I believe, and it is worth a lot of money. Rathjen and the gang believe that, and they still want it.
 
And the shareholders can stop it, and report it. I’ll help report it. I have a lot of evidence, knowledge and plausible theories, but I won’t do it without help.
 
jd
Comment by fuzzyjr on Aug 21, 2023 4:50pm
"And the shareholders can stop it, and report it. I’ll help report it. I have a lot of evidence, knowledge and plausible theories, but I won’t do it without help"   you need to find like minded folks or if some are reading this they might reach out to you & want to begin that process(whatever that looks like & costs) This battle won't be won or lost on some BB. Many ...more  
Comment by Boomskid on Aug 21, 2023 5:58pm
Fuzzy, as I've pointed out many times, LT, Boyd, Midatech, Lind, Bioasis and others have used their lawyers very well over the last 2 or 3 years. I've posted enough stuff to make it hard to argue that Bioasis wasn't purposefully placed under duress, xB3 wasn't downplayed, EGF wasn't camouflage and that other things aren't true.   For instance, buried in the 460 ...more  
Comment by TheTruth1234 on Aug 21, 2023 5:40pm
1. Has xB3 ever failed in its purpose of delivering a therapeutic payload across the BBB?    Answer: The CEOs (all three) have always answered "no".    2. Has a delivered therapeutic payload ever failed to work after it's been delivered to the CNS where the failure was attributed in any way to xB3?    Answer: All three CEO's have always ...more  
Comment by Boomskid on Aug 21, 2023 5:55pm
You missed the point, totally, TT. You gotta be smart and informed if you're going to play smart and informed. The point of the xB3 questions was and remains to put the CEOs on the public record. Duh! I discussed that for years, but you likely didn't read it, or even more likely, couldn't understand it. Frankly, I have worried for years about issues with xB3. My questions to the ...more  
Comment by TheTruth1234 on Aug 21, 2023 6:09pm
Why cant you answer the question Johnny boy? Why did all the Pharmas walk after working with xb3?
Comment by Boomskid on Aug 21, 2023 6:51pm
I've already answered that, TT, many, many times. Why would you expect any company with integrity to do a deal with a company like Bioasis that is engaged in the type of things that Rathjen was doing with Bioasis and with Ladenberg Thalmann? Rathjen, by downplaying xB3 and camouflaging it with the Cresence stuff, was signalling that xB3 was either weak or no good. Most informed people ...more  
Comment by TheTruth1234 on Aug 21, 2023 7:21pm
Wow.  Imagine being as smart as you Johnny boy, and not being able to manage something as simple as a cheque book! But you, and only you can connect the dots!!! Bwhahhaaha. Funny how now, when the writing is on the wall, and the demise of Bioasis is very obvious,  why NOW are you the smart one for coming forward? People have been saying the EXACT same things, but all you did was ...more  
Comment by Boomskid on Aug 21, 2023 7:31pm
Hah! Every time you're stuck you mention my finances.  Yes, many people said Bioasis was a failure. They've always been trolls and they won't, or probably can't, make a cogent argument. Like you, bud! Don't go away, TT. You're going to have even more to complain about. jd
Comment by TheTruth1234 on Aug 21, 2023 7:58pm
Yes, many people said Bioasis was a failure. They've always been trolls and they won't, or probably can't, make a cogent argument. They did!  For years. Thry had very good arguments.   The best yet " why hasnt xb3 been sold to or partnered " witha reputable Pharma company.  You bullied them and tried to discredit them, telling everyone how "smart ...more  
Comment by Boomskid on Aug 21, 2023 8:08pm
Bwah hahaha! Trolls don't have arguments, TT. Once they make a couple hundred personal attacks, they wouldn't be given any credit for an argument, TT, even if it was as good as half-baked, a near impossibility. jd
Comment by TheTruth1234 on Aug 21, 2023 7:28pm
Oh, and your wrong Johnny boy. All those pharmas walked because xb3 didnt work!! They saw it, tested it, and saw it did not work. They moved on.  WALKED! Only a simpleton would think a Pharma company would pass and miss out on billions upon billions of dollars because the CEO of a company that held the key to the billions of dollars was a little "shady" or a little less ...more  
Comment by Boomskid on Aug 21, 2023 7:40pm
I'm not interested in outsmarting you, TT. You only have a couple of repetitive thinbgs to say, TT, and I gave you those! It's beneath me to take that on. Let me inflame you just a little bit more. xB3 works. That's why LT and The Gang want it. And why Rathjen & Saltarelli were going to join them.  One more. Maybe you should take a run at Saltarelli. He says he believes ...more  
Comment by TheTruth1234 on Aug 21, 2023 8:05pm
xB3 works. That's why LT and The Gang want it. And why Rathjen & Saltarelli were going to join them That is why you are bankrupt Johnny boy! You're not calling Saltarelli a liar, are you? Yes, I am.  I am smarter than you Johnny boy. I can smell a scam a mile away.  Unlike you, despite all that readn' and studn' you do off the internet!! Lol.
Comment by G1945V on Aug 22, 2023 7:22am
JD, am I correct to assume that the CEO's responses to questions you posed to them are based on pre-clinical data? If that is the case you have them on record on that basis, which may make their responses correct.  G1945V