AGMI dont believe you have, I've been to many over the years (all within the last five years as well) and heard nothing but hopes for immediate success. We both can tell how that went. I've always been pessimitic. but I view this one as a last chance for a company that can't get it's s**t together. Hate to sell but it might have come to that. They had (have?) so much potential, but just wasted. Petey78 blames Markus, he could be right, who knows?