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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Zargon Oil & Gas Ltd ZARFF

Zargon Oil & Gas Ltd is a producer of oil and gas. It is engaged in the exploration, development, and production of oil and natural gas in Canada and the United States. The company works on three phases of oil reservoir exploitation which include Primary recovery, Waterflood recovery, and Tertiary recovery. Its portfolio includes Alberta plains north, Alberta plains south and Williston basin... see more

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Zargon Oil & Gas Ltd > Let's See Who Big Debenture Holders Are
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Post by PetroExplorer on Nov 23, 2018 6:57pm

Let's See Who Big Debenture Holders Are

That would give us some indication, on which way things may go.  But there isn't alot more to gain, by trying to get a slightly better deal.

The company is probably on life support right now, in which case the current market capitalization, is probably where it should be trading at, given the low oil prices.

As Cardboard mentioned, what a poor job of hedging!  Hedged too low, and missed the higher prices, then felt good when the hedge expired in Q3, and made some small cashflow, only to watch the WCS differential completely skyrocket.  How much do they pay people, to make bad decisions?  Now completely unhedged, with massive differentials, and a falling WTI price, to boot.

The reason they are proposing this deal now, is there is a real danger of losing everything: the Company likely has negative cashflow, right now.  Yes, Debenture Holders do stand first in line, but if a fire-sale of the assets, results in only $15 million of value, do you want to just take 40 cents on the dollar?  My average price is higher than that.

I'd rather not have shares, but if the only way to save the company is to pursue some development work, then the Debentures have to be exchanged.  But hopefully there are some bigger Debenture Holders that can negotiate a bit more, with little effort, and then hopefully give a bit more board supervision, in the go-forward entity.

The only other option is some merger, now that people can see that the Debenture reorganization will be done, in advance.  There would have to be some proper assets merged with this stuff, that can then give cashflow, going forward.  Then grow the asset a bit, hope for increasing oil prices, and push this stuff away, into a larger entity.

If oil prices don't rise, the share price is going to zero, in 2019.  So the Debenture Holders could get everything, but the lack of investment would mean 100% of everything, might be less than the current market cap.  So either this gets sorted out with a good plan, or else it is winding down, for alot less than the stated NAV, in previous reports.

This industry can't survive multiple years of low oil prices.  I am still optimistic this latest oil price drop is a short-term dip, but I've been burned before.  Zargon has to plan for the future, which is looking very grim right now, otherwise they wouldn't be trying to exchange the Debentures, at this time.
Comment by RollinInDough on Mar 21, 2019 12:49pm
in this post from Nov 23... petroexplorer said his cost for zar shares was MUCH HIGHER than  40 cents... the same tool that owned TBE at over $1 a share and watched that one go to zero... too funny how dumb some people are... if they know nothing about the oil bizz they should not own shares... and owning shares in such risky, low production, high debt, low cash flow companies is pure ...more  
Comment by pablo87 on Mar 21, 2019 2:15pm
Here we go again, our old nemesis from TBE days.  Sure sign that somebody wants to steal the company...
Comment by RollinInDough on Mar 21, 2019 2:46pm
oh my, were you stupid enuf to get wiped out in that TBE stock... like all you losers, after the stock sank you all claimed to own debs... liars and losers... now you dimwits own zar... stupid is as stupid does, and you is... whaaaa haaaaa  haaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Comment by rad10 on Mar 21, 2019 5:16pm
lol - i don't buy equity in canadian o and g - except companies like suncor and cnq. Reluctant shareholder in ZAR with cost basis of 8 cents from disgraceful debenture conversion. And yes - I did very well on twin butte debs.....  Wouldn't touch the common stock with a ten foot pole.
Comment by RollinInDough on Mar 22, 2019 10:20am
makes perfect sense... you only invest in blue chips like su... but you owned TBE debs which went to pennies on the dollar and you made out well... so you all say... of course none of you tbe losers admit being stupid... but you own zar too, so stupid is as stupid does... you is too
Comment by rad10 on Mar 22, 2019 11:07am
https://business.financialpost.com/news/fp-street/from-14-to-80-per-cent-the-remarkable-recovery-by-twin-buttes-debenture-holders Happy to have held distressed debs in twin butte - if all my holdings worked out like that I would have a bigger boat!   Stick to quality equities and look for distressed debt opportunities - works for me, but not everyone's cup of tea.  fortress ...more  
Comment by PetroExplorer on Mar 22, 2019 11:37am
I don't always have time to check up on Stockhouse, especially as some of my investments languish.  The one encouraging fact is the WCS prices are higher than they were, a year ago.  If the oil prices sustain themselves, or go higher, then ZAR should move higher.  Hopefully it can move higher, before most of the remaining value is sucked out in salaries, and other G+A items ...more  
Comment by RollinInDough on Mar 22, 2019 2:23pm
so these losers come out and claim to make money on stocks that go to zero... cause they saw the debs make some money so they claim... no I switched to debs from stocks... too funny, the lies, the embarrassment they have
Comment by rad10 on Mar 22, 2019 3:42pm
I gave you the benefit of the doubt - looks like pablo was right. If it makes you feel better - I am down a considerable some on the debenture conversion.  Now GFYourself.
Comment by RollinInDough on Mar 22, 2019 3:48pm
wow there... now you admit being down... earlier you said you are up... lies getting too hard to keep straight?  what a maroon... yes blue chip su owner that owned debs in a bankrupt jun ior like tbe... story was always just a lie as for petroexplorer... the guy that said the oil produced under the GOR owned by NWX was drying up...  that guy?  seems the oil is far from drying up.. ...more  
Comment by rad10 on Mar 22, 2019 7:18pm
you obviously have a personal vendetta - seems like this is consuming you. Happy to share my losses - as I am not a perfect investor.  80K down on the wretched Zargon conversion.  But we suck it up and make it back on deals in hydro one IR's, Aimia preferred and notes, and long positions in TRST etc.  I don't need the capital loss as yet - so holding a gazillion ZAR shares ...more  
Comment by RollinInDough on Mar 23, 2019 2:47pm
if you keep insisiting you owned tbe debs.. maybe you will eventually believe the lie.  Anyone dumb enuf to own tbe and zar has to be brain dead... and no zar will never make you any money... you will lose every penny although all you have left is a few pennies worth anyway... I so laugh at those that buy junk not knowing what the hell they are doing... man... what a joker
Comment by pablo87 on Mar 24, 2019 12:52pm
Rad, he doesn't have a vendetta. He's been hired to do this - it's his job. It means the company is in play.  He's an Energy sector online goon.
Comment by rad10 on Mar 24, 2019 6:26pm
Wow - what a pitiful existence...............  online Douche for hire!
Comment by pablo87 on Mar 25, 2019 5:18pm
He's A COG in the grave dancing wheel- buy assets for a song from desperate companies and their shareholders. Happening all over the place. Fortunately, very few shareholders are biting - 800000 shares is not even 0.5% of shares. Worth a lot more. A) North Dakota is this asset that will pay $3-5M for 15-20 years. If it was tax efficiently decoupled, it could pay the Debby income... b) Canada - ...more  
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