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World Kinect Corp V.INT


Primary Symbol: WKC

World Kinect Corporation is a global energy management company. The Company is engaged in offering fulfillment and related services across the aviation, marine, and land-based transportation sectors. It also supplies natural gas and power in the United States and Europe along with a suite of other sustainability-related products and services. Its segments include Aviation, Land and Marine. Its Aviation segment provides aviation-related service offerings, which include fuel management, price risk management, ground handling, 24/7 global dispatch services, and trip planning services, including flight planning and scheduling, weather reports and overflight permits. Its Land segment offers fuel, lubricants, heating oil, and related products and services to commercial, industrial, residential and government customers, as well as retail petroleum operators. Its Marine segment markets fuel, lubricants, and related products and services to a base of marine customers.


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Comment by reverandglenn1on Jun 01, 2011 3:24pm
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RE: Abe will change mind

RE: Abe will change mind

Regarding the following article: I want to address the fact that they claim the real-time translation uses Google API. IT DOES NOT!!!!! I called a few friends and had them log into Facebook. I then used Ortsbo to message them. I first tested the Transl8tor beside the Ortsbo contact person's area. When you changed input to French and Translator language to English then typed in sivotre, yes it came up with thevacuum cleaner automatically stops if here. BUT, when I sent the same messages to my friends on the Real Time Translator, there was no such issue. This is proof enough that Ortsbo does not use Google API. It would be impossible for it to have 2 different results. DO THE TEST YOURSELF and you will see that the guy who wrote the article of full of schitt.

GLTA

Rev

PS: I don't care who calls me a basher or pumper. I calls 'em likes I see's 'em. I think pumpers and bashers are a part of the game. I just don't like people who knowingly lie. If you will lie for money, you will do anything for money. So, I have some extra money for some liars and could use a mid-afternoon, work-related stress relieving hummer. It shouldn't be too far from what some of you will do for money anyway. What do you say? I will guarantee you a teabagger; ooops, sorry, I meant 3 bagger.

This article attempts nothing more than to make "Suggestions" of what may or may not be. I have highlighted, in Yellow, several key sections for you to see the conjecture that has been put forward. Furthermore, it was admitted that the fund is actively "Trading" the stock and would change their position at anytime.

It is my guess, that it appears, that possibly and maybe this fund appears to intend to, in no uncertain terms, make it's last push to cover it's shorts and possbily but not necessarily go long, if they are not short, in the future or the past but maybe at some point at a later date. Sounds retarded when I talk in circles, doesn't it?

Let me know your thoughts???


Intertainment Media - Translating the Technology 4 comments
May 30, 2011 12:01 AM | about stocks: ITMTF.PK
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The last commentary I wrote on Intertainment Media (INT-TSXV, found here) created a small amount of controversy, mostly because I’m short the stock. For some reason it is viewed as acceptable if someone who is long a stock writes a positive article outlining the huge potential (or is quoted in an article as such), however if you are short a stock it is viewed in a negative light when you explain your rationale.
I want to address the issue of the Fund I work for being short. The Fund doesn’t randomly select securities to go short or long, we find compelling stories and make investment decisions based on our due diligence on these stories. Being short, I have continued to look for reasons why I may be wrong, and if I found something, I would happily change my position to avoid losses. I am available to be convinced as such.
All of the information in the commentaries I will be posting is derived only from readily available public information. In fact the commentaries just contain what I would consider to be the basics of due diligence before making an investment in a company of this type.
It appears that the entire value (and recent run up in the stock) proposition for Intertainment is Ortsbo. In fact, with over 300 million shares on a fully-diluted basis, one could argue that over $300 million of market value was created largely on the basis of Ortsbo.
So let's try for a moment to figure out what about Ortsbo could be the source of this value. Undoubtedly, it hinges on two things: (1) the great technology and (2) the supposed growth in users.
The Great Translation Technology That Will Change the World
Whether or not INT or Ortsbo has intended to do so, many longs have pointed to the fact that Ortsbo's great real-time translation technology has the potential to change the world. I disagree. I am not sure what type of technology INT has licensed from SaaS Technologies, but the main technology that Ortsbo appears to be using is directly powered by Google Translate.
Google Translate has an API, [which is simply a web development tool] (search for Google Translate API to find the code and download pack for Google Translate) that is available for free to developers. We know this from basic duediligence, but perhaps the most illustrative thing would be a table of results that compares Ortsbo, Google, and Babel Fish translations. The most important thing to know about translation is that there is no “right” answer; as translation is not exact. Because of this computers have a difficult time translating from one language to another and it is very unlikely for translator software to have the same results on more complex phrases unless they use the same engine. In any case, here are the empirical examples:
Phrase
Ortsbo Translation
Google Translation
Babel Fish Translation
“Si votre” (French to English)
If your
If your
If your
“sivotre” (French to English)
Thevacuumcleaner
automaticallystopsifthere
Thevacuumcleaner
automaticallystopsifthere
sivotre
“It appears like Ortsbo uses Google Translate.” (English to French)
Il apparaît comme Ortsbo utilise Google Translate.
Il apparaît comme Ortsbo utilise Google Translate.
Il apparaît comme des utilisations d'Ortsbo que Google traduisent.
















As you can see from the table above, the Ortsbo and Google results are identical. The most curious is of course the French to English “sivotre” which returned “thevacuumcleanerautomaticallystopsifthere” for Ortsbo and Google and “sivotre” for Babel Fish. The reason is that “sivotre” (French to English) is a known Google Translate Easter Egg where the developers at Google have intentionally inserted an incorrect translation (presumably because they thought it was funny). Even on the other phrase Google and Babel Fish differ slightly while Google and Ortsbo are exactly the same… word for word, accent for accent.
The Proof: Google’s Translation API in Action
So one might say, maybe Google Translate is using Ortsbo's technology. Maybe so. Well I went one step further, checking out exactly what technology the Ortsbo website is accessing when the translation occurs. Please find the video of this process at the following link: https://vimeo.com/24242121.
Instructions on how to follow the steps in the video (for Chrome, IE9, and Firefox) please click here. If you have a position in Intertainment (short or long) I strongly recommend you follow those directions, to see for yourself and to make your own decisions.
Terms of Service and a Level of Transparency Requested
So you might ask: What is the issue? Well for one, Ortsbo does not own one of the major technological pillars it uses. But furthermore, it is not disclosing this fact. Not only does this hide a key piece of the puzzle from the public (investors included) but it also appears to be in direct violation of Google’s Terms of Service.
Google allows you to use their Translation API free of charge. However, Google has strict rules governing this use, with its terms of service publicly viewable at the following link: https://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/terms.html.
“You agree to include and display the "powered by Google" attribution and/or any other attribution(s) required by Google as described in the documentation conspicuously on the page, in close proximity and adjacent to any translation box(es) and Google Result(s).”
As you can see in rule 2.3, the Google terms of service mandate that those using its Google Translation API place the “powered by Google” attribution prominently and in close proximity to the translation box. I have not seen this on the Ortsbo webpage (or any of the linking pages), nor was it present in the above video.
The revenue opportunities may not be there
If Google’s Translation API is being used, it appears that sales of the product (in some form or another) would also violate term 1.4 which states:
“Appropriate Conduct and Prohibited Uses. The implementation of the Service on your Property must be generally accessible to users without charge and must not require a fee-based subscription or other fee-based restricted access. Your use of the Service must be in accordance with the documentation. You agree that, to the extent applicable to Google Results, you will not, and you will not permit your users or other third parties to: (a) modify or replace the text, images, or other content of the Google Results, including by (i) changing the order in which the Google Results appear, (ii) intermixing results from sources other than Google, or (iii) intermixing other content such that it appears to be part of the Google Results; or (b) modify, replace or otherwise disable the functioning of links to Google or third party websites provided in the Google Results.”
I am not sure exactly what the plans for Ortsbo are from a revenue perspective, but they should hope the technology they may be selling does not depend on the Google Translate API.Google’s legal department has been sent a copy of this commentary. I do not know if they will take any action, but if you see a “powered by Google” appear on Ortsbo.com, you will now know the likely reason why. But in the end it is less about whether a logo appears or not, and more about the fact that the technology, on the translation side, does not appear to be proprietary in the least and Ortsbo appears to have left this detail out of the public domain.
Interestingly, on May 26th 2011 Google announced that it would be deprecating several of its APIs, including the Google Translate API:
"Important: The Google Translate API has been officially deprecated as of May 26, 2011. Due to the substantial economic burden caused by extensive abuse, the number of requests you may make per day will be limited and the API will be shut off completely on December 1, 2011. For website translations, we encourage you to use the Google Translate Element."
This will not necessarily shut Ortsbo down as they could migrate to a different API, such as BabelFish. However, it does illustrate the dangers of relying on others for your technology.
The CEO has claimed that this "... does not affect Ortsbo", however, we are hard pressed to understand how that can be the case. If Ortsbo needs to change translation engines between now and December 2011, it seems to me like it will have been "affected".
And what about the chat technology?
Ortsbo offers to use these apparent Google translation services for a host of instant messaging platforms. These platforms range widely in popularity but the top three are MSN Messenger, Google Talk, and Facebook chat. Each of these platforms offer what are called APIs (application programming interface) for free to any developer that wants to use them (search Facebook chat API or Google Talk API or Live Messenger API for the code if you want it). These platforms offer these APIs for free because they want as many people and as many webpages using the chat service as possible. They are intentionally designed to be customizable and easy to use so that web developers can easily integrate them into their site. Depending on your level of programming background or familiarity you can see in the code that each of these APIs has a send message function. Ortsbo most likely works by inserting a translation function immediately before the send message function.
All in all, it appears that the entire Ortsbo technology is just a set of free and publicly available APIs that have been stapled together. To use an analogy, there is the hard work that the Google developers did for Google Translate on one page and there is the hard work the Facebook developers did for the Facebook Chat API on another. Ortsbo appears to be the staple that is holding the two pages together.
In speaking with some experts the overall impression I have received is that there is about as much work required to get this working as stapling two pages together. Getting the APIs to work together would require a few hours of programming per platform (i.e. Facebook Chat, Google Talk, etc). In addition, there is nothing that would stop ANY developer anywhere from doing it. The APIs are not the property of Intertainment, Ortsbo, or SaaS Technologies, they are owned by Microsoft, Facebook, Google, etc. So not only is there no real barrier to entry, there isn’t really a good reason to believe anyone would ever offer to purchase the technology. There is nothing stopping Google from adding Google Translate to Google Talk or Microsoft from adding translation to Messenger or Outlook like they did with Internet Explorer 9.
I cannot stress this strongly enough, but in my opinion, there is no company anywhere that will purchase Ortsbo (listing on an exchange is a different matter) because it would cost far less than the company’s current market cap and probably closer to $25,000 (that’s thousand not million) for someone to recreate this entire “technology” using these freely available APIs.
Surely this report will be brought to the attention of Intertainment’s CEO Mr. Lucatch. In further reports we will further support our thesis with other evidence that things may not be as they seem with Ortsbo. Clearly the Company does not appear to have been 100% forthcoming with users, investors, or Google for that matter, about the source of its translation technology. I would ask why not? There wouldn't be anything wrong with using the translation API if they disclosed it, as required, to users and investors. Lack of disclosure always makes me nervous.

Mr. Lucatch, in response to Google shutting down several of its APIs (including Google Translate), posted several times on the Ortsbo Facebook page that "... the announcement by Google does not affect Ortsbo." If Mr. Lucatch could please explain how this is true, given significant evidence to the contrary, it would be much appreciated. To be clear, if Ortsbo switches to a different translation API or creates its own, then we would consider it to be "affected" by the announcement.

Just to be clear, as I mentioned at the beginning of this posting, being short, I have continued to look for reasons why I may be wrong, and if I found something, I would happily change my position on this blog and the Fund's position to avoid losses. Once again, I am available to be convinced as such. If convinced, I would happily even consider reversing the Fund's position.
The Fund I work for is short the stock and actively trades it.
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