Hi Elmo,is that right we got 8 billion Tonnes at 3 Elmo, is that right we got by your estimation 8 billion Tonnes at 30%? I know these are rock bottom conditions and prices for the iron ore sector generally but if it ain't an impossible ask the way things are, what kind of share price can we hope for( bottom figure of course) when these 8 billion tonnes are proved up and how long roughly will it take do you think to prove them up? I think you said before you thought that CEV has a bigger resource than ADV and that we are 1 year behind them in our stage of growth; do you think a union between CEV/ADV is on the cards? Sorry for the imponderables here but its always good to hear your thoughts Elmo.