RE:Shareholder frustration is rampant here............Agreed! There are a few good things here and management is still getting things done in a tough environment. It's not like nothing is happening here. We are making strides and Pardo and at Sudbury 2.0 and the bottom line is we are ahead of where we were a year ago in both projects. We have banked some $$$ on the concentrates from Pardo, we have moved Sudbury 2.0 forward and will be doing more at Dorland, Rathbun and so there is alot of upside here. I know it has taken alot of time but the market isn't that great but it will turn up and we will be in good shape. It would be nice to at least acknowledge that we are progressing and that's why I appreciate your even handed approach ggrelette. Also, the CEO is buying and has continued to buy the stock on the open market so its not like he is oblivious to the situation. It would be better to stay positive and push through in the next little while because good things are happening. We have waited a long time so now that we are finally getting there and if the market turns, it is no time to be miserable.