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Bombardier Inc. T.BBD.A

Alternate Symbol(s):  BDRPF | T.BBD.PR.B | BDRXF | T.BBD.PR.C | T.BBD.PR.D | BOMBF | BDRAF | T.BBD.B | BDRBF

Bombardier Inc. is a Canada-based manufacturer of business aircraft with a global network of service centers. The Company is focused on designing, manufacturing and servicing business jets. The Company has a worldwide fleet of more than 5,000 aircraft in service with a variety of multinational corporations, charter and fractional ownership providers, governments and private individuals. It operates aerostructure, assembly and completion facilities in Canada, the United States and Mexico. Its robust customer support network services the Learjet, Challenger and Global families of aircraft, and includes facilities in strategic locations in the United States and Canada, as well as in the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Switzerland, Austria, the United Arab Emirates, Singapore, China and Australia. The Company's jets include Challenger 350, Challenger 3500, Challenger 650, Global 5500, Global 6500, Global 7500 and Global 8000.


TSX:BBD.A - Post by User

Comment by BBDB859on Oct 20, 2024 11:32am
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RE:Valuations

RE:ValuationsVery well said Temp. Well thought out too.

I enjoy reading your comments on topics as usual. The Cesspool assesment of the market, and of the Macro enviroment is right on the mark. Bottom line is, is what's actually happening in the market. what the market is willing to pay for the shares, and what the shareholders are willing to sell those shares for? Your aproach on whether you hold or sell your Bomber shares or any other shares is very sound. I could easily take a page out of your Investing strategy. You're right. Who knows how the BJ market will hold up. One's exposure to any stock should should not be overweighted. We got here through this PB's lies, and here I am holding a slew of shares waiting to get a huge value out of them. All the while knowing that, it can go either way in this Cesspool of a market. I'm with you on your approach to things. I will act accordingly too. As I said. Once it reaches the $150 range. I am reducing my position to half. We're almost there I hope. I'm still hoping to see a 3 for 1 split on the balance of the shares I hold on to. Reason for that is, so that the shares of the company will stay at the price range of the common shareholder or trader etc. The Dollarama trading is a perfect example of spliting down to $30 dollars every little while. In fact they've split 3 times while I'm watching them. Although I have to say that Bombardier is a way better company. That doesn't change the fact that, whoever is the Dollarama stratagist on the trading of Dollarama shares is, he's a smart dude. It split 3 times while we're sitting here waiting for this dog to bark.

You are right as well to say that anything could happen with this company. We've seen PB take this company to the brink of Bankrupcy as well. So a few fators such as BJ enviroment, Macro enviroment, Management, the Market, will play a huge roll in the share price. Great points and thanks for your input. You are always a realist, and sound read. Cheers 




Tempo1 wrote:

I have red the discussions about valuations with interest. Sure, that BBD SP has space to increase. But trying to put a specific value over 200nbsp; for 2024, even 250nbsp; for 2025  ? I understand that you think that that value will be reached with at least a 75% probability ( Flipping a coin has a 50% probability). 

I worked with valuations all my life and I learned that most of the time, the more surprising  the prediction is, the less likely it is to materialize. Don’t forget that valuations are not facts , only opinions.


In real estate, for example, there are many methods; the reconstruction costs, the comparable method, the cap rate method etc As your discussion is about.  Different methods,  different results, same goal. All for determining how much a non-constraint buyer would be willing to pay.  Hypothesis, real value is told only by the market.


Funny, I follow Air Canada closely and at the beginning of the year, all the analysts had almost the same operational predictions, all in only  a 8%-10%  difference for revenues, and EBITDA. But the value they gave for these numbers ( targets) were from 17$ to 32$. Almost the same numbers and large different values. Finally, they were all wrong, except  the RBC analysts, AC falling and staying all year  in the 15-18$ range.


Targets  are useful but my focus is elsewhere. They have to be done and put aside after. I think that the analysts' targets are their less useful output. Their analysis of the impact of events on a company, their analysis of their strength and weakness, their analysis of the commercial environment are the prime output.


Bombardier has fundamentally the same niche as it had in 2021, all their strengths it showed at the time were the same as today, good product, clean strategy, strong management and a positive market for bizz jets. Nobody talked of a 110$ SP in 2021, not even me. Yet, here we are 3 years later. Focusing on the health of its niche and of  its environment was my driver for investing massively on its shares. Sure, I had some (reachable) targets in mind for the 6-12 months ahead  in a range pattern, but my driver  was ‘’with such strong fundamentals, the SP recovery is almost  certain’’.


The same for now, the growth of revenues and EBITDA for 2025 and possibly  for the years after,  (according to the strategy disclosed in may) can drive the SP higher. I have a 15%-20% annual SP increase in mind.


Why do long or high predictions almost never materialize? Time is eventful and the stock market is not driven by the mathematical formulas which drive the predictions. The problem with predictions is that they always assume that the current situation will not change,  all things staying frozen; no change in the macro economics and forecasts, in the commercial environment of the company and no strategic reactions to these changes by our management..


Look only at the recession or soft landing  waltz of the last 3 months. The direction changed 2 times in the last quarter. All predictions begin at  the macro level;  How can we predict an over 100% appreciation for the SP in the next year  with such an unstable environment ?  with more than a 50% probability ?


The stock market is driven by sentiment, it does not stick on the numbers, a 20% increase in EPS will not be followed automatically by a 20% increase of SP. The market is always right (but in the long run only), positive results  will eventually be followed by a SP appreciation , but with a winding path, by surges and pull-backs, not by math formulas.  


We have read many posts expressing frustration about the SP since 2021 on this board. I suspect that they are too stick to price predictions, unable to accept that a 200$ valued company in their view,  had such a low SP, missing the others elements. Some SP movements are  incomprehensive in our view; but that’s the market. If it would be really predictable, we could not make money with it. 


We are set for another year of frustration posts  if many believe strongly that the real value of Bombardier (to be realized in the next 15 months) is 200$, 250$ or more.. 


Does BBD have the potential to be 200$ stock in 2,3 or 4 years? Sure.  As long as this bizz jet market is positive, the stock will be able to grow, (execution is not really a problem with BBD); I am there. But my focus is elsewhere; as soon as a slowdown is felt, It could be the end of the party. It is possible that I will significantly reduce my investment., I don’t want to be the last one to quit. So, I enjoy the surges but I  am watching  for the early signs of a slowdown. I am not in the 250$ target game. My choice.

 


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