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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Sandstorm Metals & Energy Ltd STTYF

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Sandstorm Metals & Energy Ltd > flip this its done
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Post by bsea on May 10, 2013 12:15pm

flip this its done

i had 6000 of this a month ago when they announced consolidation, bad timing, ventures down- gold stocks down and gold is being pounded when this consolidates if the trend is the same this will have all kinds of trouble
Comment by DayOfReckoning on May 10, 2013 12:23pm
Selling because of a share consolidation alone makes no sense. The only thing that matters is the market cap relative to the cashflows, and the appropriate multiple therein...   If Donner and Thunderbird both crep out, then its time to bail and take the loss. Thunderbird's SP is acting strange and Donner isn't exactly shooting the lights out for a company days away from commissioning ...more  
Comment by michigan33 on May 10, 2013 12:27pm
This company has no investment in Gold.  Nat Gas and Copper are the only commodities to drive this stock in the next year.
Comment by darenb on May 10, 2013 1:43pm
I think we need to get some perspective here. This is a young company managed by one of the best CEOs of our time and this generation. If you really want to make the big money in this game you need to buy cheap and wait and wait and wait. If you want short term go away some place else. This company will probably give you hundred times your money in the future. Read this article if you have the ...more  
Comment by gwalker on May 11, 2013 3:20pm
Sorry darenb but that Portfolio Ops write on Sandstorm was a total puff piece. In the "Why is it mispriced?" section there was not even a mention of any of the past bungled deals. Long term and I am very positive on SND, but not at the cost of ingoring the past.
Comment by darenb on May 11, 2013 6:28pm
That is an extremely positive article I have to admit but in my opinion perfectly honest and true. If you have listened to every single audio and video interview on the website you will see that the strategy has changed since the early deals were done which did not go according to plan because of the downturn. This is also not a short term moonshot. However if you are not in early you will ...more  
Comment by gwalker on May 12, 2013 6:12am
Uhh...thanks for the history lesson and investement advice but I am already pretty familiar with the Sandstorms. I have been in long enough that I am still up over 100% on SSL and down a little on SND. My point was pretty singular. That article was written with blinders on and is obviously targeted at the lemming investor segment. I have no issue with you sharing the article, but had you at least ...more  
Comment by AAOIPortfolioOps on May 13, 2013 7:47pm
Gwalker, a puff piece written for lemmings? Bwahahaha. You got to be kidding man.  First, the past deals are entirely irrelevant at the present valuation, I look at them as free options (and I said as much in the write-up). Second, I'd already discussed the mistakes to an almost ridiculous degree on my blog, so why would I rehash it given the these mistakes are incredibly unlikely to ever ...more  
Comment by gwalker on May 14, 2013 3:10am
So let me get this straight... So someone called darenb posts an article, I call it out as over-promotional and now the writer of said newsletter comes on the bullboard to defend it.  Ah I get it. Issue #2. You (darneb) used the bullboard to promote your new newsletter and you (AAOIPortfolioOps)  are upset that someone takes issue with what you wrote. I think you need a thicker skin if ...more  
Comment by AAOIPortfolioOps on May 14, 2013 1:22pm
Fair enough on being thin skinned, I already regret reacting the way I did and wish I would not have responded in the first place (long day yesterday). It was out of character. I just took offense to a few of your readily verifiable false claims. That is all. So I could care less if someone doesn't like the write-up (I've been putting my analysis in the public sphere for a very long time), ...more  
Comment by vildegrul on May 14, 2013 3:59pm
I read your piece and thought it was a puff piece as well.  You have one line which paraphrased says something like "the stock is cheap right now due to a couple of wobbles with earlier deals." Well, yeah.  Except they are more like catastrophes than wobbles and they reflect on management's judgment.   And in your response to the original poster, you say that if people ...more  
Comment by Luxor63 on May 14, 2013 8:52pm
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Comment by AAOIPortfolioOps on May 15, 2013 1:41am
Vildegrul, Fair enough and I admit if you'd never read my Sandstorm pieces on my blog it could come off as unwisely dismissive but I've publicly written about these failures to a fairly detailed degree on many different occasions. I totally agree that they were disasters, but again, when a stock is priced at a level where these failures are priced in and then some it's really ...more  
Comment by vildegrul on May 15, 2013 11:50am
We were discussing the newsletter, so I don't think it's reasonable for you to justify the article by pointing to your other writings on Sandstorm.  It seems it should stand on its own.  But anyway, I took a quick look at your other writings. I still see you saying there that "Royal Coal was a good decision with a poor outcome" and that Nolan had achieved victory in ...more  
Comment by gwalker on May 15, 2013 12:19pm
I think many have chimed in with their comments that support my overall perspective that the write up was over promotional and lacking any of the real past dirt. If you want to claim that a scant reference to 'a few past hiccups' was adequate disclosure of SND past failures then I guess we really don't have much to discuss. I don't read your blog so the info there is not relevant ...more  
Comment by DayOfReckoning on May 15, 2013 1:22pm
I agree GWalker, NW needs to right this ship.... I'm monitoring Donner and its acting very badly, Sprott dumping for 2 weeks now and now hitting the bid.... Something smells bad there IMO...
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