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Bullboard - Stock Discussion Forum Bombardier Inc. T.BBD.A

Alternate Symbol(s):  BDRXF | BDRAF | BDRBF | T.BBD.B | T.BBD.PR.B | T.BBD.PR.C | T.BBD.PR.D | BOMBF | BDRPF

Bombardier Inc. is a Canada-based manufacturer of business aircraft with a global network of service centers. The Company is focused on designing, manufacturing and servicing business jets. The Company has a worldwide fleet of more than 5,000 aircraft in service with a variety of multinational corporations, charter and fractional ownership providers, governments and private individuals. It... see more

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Bombardier Inc. > First glance analysis
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Post by BBDB859 on Aug 09, 2021 5:35pm

First glance analysis

The whole comparison below will be Comparing Q1/21 to Q2/21

In Q2

-Revs were up by $183M (So deliv. 3 larger planes, prob., 2 G7500 & 1 G6500)
-Margin was 14% on sales. This # has to climb to 20% and the G7500 is the key.
-EBITDA margins were up by .2% to 9.4%, that's still low IMHO. The G7500 prob.
-Net Income from Ops. was a diff. of almost $390M to a gain of $139M for Q2.
-Diluted EPS was almost a $.17 cents diff. higher in Q2 to $.6 cents.
-Adjusted Net Loss was down by $36 to $137M in Q2 (I'll discuss it further later)
-Cashflows from Cont Ops were up by $527M in Q2 (This is a huge diff. from Q1)
-PP&E was up by $31M (probably for Service centres, and Pearson's G7500)
-FCF usage was a diff., of $496M less than Q1 to a +FCF gain of $91. (Bravo)
-Officially they delivered 29 planes in Q2. 17 large 9 Medium, and 3 Lears.
-Finally they were left with $2.288B in cash on hand

So IMO they have improved tremendously. Revenues are going to be a little less, in Q3 but the Margins may be up because of G7500, and therefore we'll see FCF+ again to around $100M. Adjusted net loss to me is the key here. It's gone down by almost $36M from Q1 to Q2, but I'll take this big change from the $400M cashburn from Q1. I suspected that they were doing something like writting off $400M less in receipts from the Alstom Sale, and I still think that. That was the big diff., from the $496M FCF usage from Q1, down to a plus $91M. 

So as I see things. My guess was right when I was doing the LTD #'s with Jim, that they would have about $2.3B on hand after Q2. They actually have $2.288B. I still believe that they will use the $1B from the $2.288B reserves to take out the LTD of $514B in Oct.2022, & the $534B of Jan 2023, and clear the RUNWAY until Dec. 2024. That will leave them $1.288B on hand and also that's when around then they'll take a LOC of $1B + or  minus. That will reduce their LTD down to $6.3 and that's when the B shares will FLY.

I don't think that the LTD reduction will happen any earlier than May of 2022, and I think that they may hold off with the line LOC for a while too, till the end of summer of 2022. But rest assured the LOC is going to happen next year. They are smart doing that, because they still have their own cash to use for now, and that's when they are going to get a better sense, of how much of a LOC they need for Ops, because they'll get 1 year under their belts of Operating BA. Hopefully they'll have the G7500 Pearson plant going by summer of next year, because that will even give them a better indication of Operating Expenses.

I think that Credit Ratings Agencies, will give them a BBB- or + credit rating by the end of next year, and that will HELP with the refinancing of the Dec. 2024 maturity.
Given what I saw on this Q2, I think that Q3 and Q4 will bring some good FCF+ quarters, and no cashburn, by the of this year Q4/21. That's why I think that the shares, will still linger in the $2.50/Share, closer to the year. But by June of 2022, watch out. Cheers
Comment by comquat on Aug 09, 2021 5:51pm
Thanks BBDB859 for your insight, keep us up to date
Comment by BBDB859 on Aug 09, 2021 5:57pm
NP cquat. I was meaning to get this done earlier, but never enough time.
Comment by lb1temporary on Aug 09, 2021 7:32pm
Just a small note: The BBB- rating is an ''investment grade'' level with at least a maximum of debt/ EBITDA ratio under 1:1.  We could be happy with a B level next year, two notches over the current CCC+ rating. That implies a 3,5% or 4% interest rate level.
Comment by BBDB859 on Aug 09, 2021 8:46pm
Hey Temp. We're in agreement of the B rating next year. Bombardier will be able to produce earnings more efeciently by keeping costs low.  Because they're a pure play now as opposed to it's competitors, EM and BD will keep tight reigns on BA, especially in the next 3 to 4 years. One slip up and there goes the whole ship. Their debt is still high, and will be high ($6.3B ...more  
Comment by lb1temporary on Aug 09, 2021 9:04pm
Remarkable how fast the good news fell in order.  Future could be full of surprises, hold tight.
Comment by BBDB859 on Aug 10, 2021 7:30am
This is what I have replied to lb1temp yesterday at 8:30pm. Look at the my reply, I've highlighted in yellow on the bottom. I wrote anything can happen with the way they handle things, and that's exactly what happened. They finally decided it was time to do LTD properly. Thanks to Flamingo for that quick print of the placement. Investors here rest assured. Bombardier is now cash flush ...more  
Comment by BBDB859 on Aug 10, 2021 7:36am
Sorry. I left a word out (on) at the end of the post.  "we all have to keep our eyes ON MANAGEMENT because there no room for error for them especially with our investment.
Comment by flamingogold on Aug 09, 2021 8:39pm
Hey BBDB59, looks like they want to retire that 2022-23 debt earlier. https://bombardier.com/en/media/news/bombardier-announces-pricing-its-new-issuance-senior-notes-0?page=0
Comment by BBDB859 on Aug 09, 2021 9:29pm
Thanks Flamingo. That realy changes things. They could be thinking that, the interest rate of 6% available in the JB market in comparison to what's going on with interest rates today, is a good enough rate. Rates are coming down for the Bomber already. My guess is we may hit even the 5% rates with a BBB- Rating. Maybe the JB market is waking up to the new Bomber. Sorry Temp we are getting ...more  
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